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11.09.2013 @ 20:36Thanks for clearing that up. I forgot about Dethmold's brother, actually I've never taken this into consideration - I really should read the books... In this way it makes sense they're similar, still their 'sadism' (term used loosely) has sort of different flavour ('anger management' vs 'psychopathy' to label it oversimplistically). But you're right that there's common ground.
I'm curious how many more paralells between characters can be drawn, apart from those you've already found. Seriously, are the dimensions of this game limited in any way?
11.09.2013 @ 20:01
Geralt Wayne said:But I felt that there is absence of something that is an insane badass enemy. Whom you couldn't help but hate.
But but but...if you're looking for hateful engagement isn't Loredo 'hateable' enough? Although thankfully not the type of insane archenemy, he certainly can stir up pretty strong negative feelings, more than any classic clear-cut villain could. (These usually make me go 'Yeah, whatever man'. I even had it with Jacques)
And as vivaxardas and KOP have argued, denying the typical climax battle and resolution is the beauty of this game.
vivaxardas said:Dethmold is just a magical version of Roche, Philippa with her vision of empire ruled by magic is a magical version of Emhyr, and Sile is a magical version of Shilard. Saskia wants to give freedom to everyone, except of freedom to freely choose her as a queen, and is not really interested in any informed consent of her subjects. Even she is not above deception and manipulation knowing full well that people will never accept a dragon (pretty much a monster) as their leader.
That's a very interesting observation, never thought of these parallels. But I don't think it's very accurate with Dethmold and Roche, maybe because the magic and their respective backgrounds change a lot?
The way I see them, Roche is driven by sense of duty and loyalty, and his cruelty is usually either a means to an end or a reaction he doesn't want to control or curb (It may come from a deep emotional source - see Dethmold & Henselt, or in most cases he just doesn't value the lives of his objects - see the 'accident' during Arnolt's interrogation). He appears to take violence for granted and not give it much thought, it's a natural part of his life that he doesn't seem to perceive in ethical cathegories. He doesn't take pride nor pleasure in cruelty, it's just there, no big deal. I admit this might be a very superficial impression, and Roche's attitude might be just a facade or a coping strategy. Vernon looks like a very straightforward person, but there may be more to him than meets the eye.
On the other hand, Dethmold is a guy driven mainly by fierce ambition, the need to excel and prove himself. His cruelty seems to have both strictly practical (so that wouldn't be different from Roche) and sadistic dimension. He just enjoys the cruelty as a hobby. I perceive him as a psychopath with little empathy developed - in fact, he doesn't even seem to be able to grasp Roche's motivation for revenge. (Just compare his totally clueless 'What do you want? I'll give you anything' to Henselt's explanation.) And of course on top of his 'unhealthy' interests (necrmancy and getting horny over piles of bones, as Sheala noticed) there's also craving for power and control he can achieve through terror and torture.
Not that I'm a psychologist or something. I'm just curious why you chose to liken Dethmold to Roche.
08.09.2013 @ 18:25I'm bumping the thread because it's never too late to read and compliment on an excellent piece. /> Very insightful and revealing, especially the part about Philosopher Queen / Leviathan visions.
In addition, you made me realise there's another discrepancy in Geralt's final conversation with Saskia between Polish and English version (apart from the 'I underline guest'/'maybe you'd like to live here' and 'fascinating dwarves'/'I could use a man' that is). In Polish, it's actually like what Jobbert mentioned.
Jobbert said:Just one question: where did you get the information that Saskia knows that Phillipa is worried about her aging? I remember that in the conversation with Saskia after you've lifted the spell, she says that she knows a secret about Phillipa. But I can't remember Saskia saying what that secret is. ›››
Polish Saskia says she was under the influence and obedient, but she wasn't blind. She vaguely tells Geralt about a secret that is Philippa's weak spot, but doesn't mention anything specific. Geralt comments 'It's a dangerous knowledge' and Saskia closes the topic replying 'That's why I'm going to keep it to myself'.
So it looks like the whole scene was written without any relation between the language versions. I think I prefer the possibility of loose speculation here.
And another thing that got me wondering is how you say the dragon attack is uncharacteristic of Philippa. Because I actually always assumed it is Sile, not Philippa, who gives the order at this moment. Maybe I'm wrong or overlooking something (or both), but I always understood that while certainly Eilhart is the dragon mistress all along, it is Sheala who has direct control to operate Saskia in Loc Muinne. I imagine it was like Philippa gave Saesenthessis a major order to obey Sile and do anything she says for the time being, and the execution and particular actions were up to de Tancarville.
So perhaps it's better understandable if it's Sheala who wanted to burn the whole place down - she was taken by surprise to say the least, didn't have much time to think and react, in addition to being relatively narrow-minded in her methods as you pointed out ?
08.09.2013 @ 14:51You don't get the key to the quarry on Roche's path.
04.09.2013 @ 18:59
Senteria said:Reminds me of my ex. That makes me wonder how many female witcher players choose to let geralt have intimacy with other women in the game and how often. I am almost sure there's a variation on choices made between male and female players if you would look at it statistically. ›››
Well, the way I play it, I always let Geralt take a bath with Triss. Which I kinda feel bad about, because I don't really even like her, I don't want her to be the main romance option or Geralt's one true love (chose Shani in TW1, don't know Yennefer yet so I don't have an opinion here). It always happens against my will! /> Just can't resist that silly scene with the Scoiatael dwarf, even if it's sort of corny. (And the sex itself is done rather nicely of course).
Then my Geralt always has sex with Ves, pity the relationship doesn't have any room or time to develop later.
I would have sex with Cynthia, I think she had good chemistry with Geralt, but guarding the tome of doom seems more important to me, so-sorry.
I once tried a hooker just out of curiosity, but I don't normally do it because I don't support prostitution and because I'm stingy. Also had sex with Mottle once out of the same reason, but trying that again wouldn't feel right.
While I have some issues with the male gaze (won't go into that, it's already been discussed in several places), I'm ok with the sex scenes in TW2, if that's what @Senteria you were wondering.
As for Geralt vs Iorveth: I only have eyes for Iorveth, seriously, he's got no competition when it comes to male hotness in TW2. (Geralt would probably be second in my ranking, but they're light years apart). /> Damn, it's embarassing to have a fangirl crush at my age, but can't be helped, can't be helped. />
For the sake of equality: the hottest female contest winner is Philippa, Saskia being the runner-up. />
And I wonder about those female gamers who refuse to play if there's no girl as playable character - is it something radical? I mean, just because of that they miss on such great games as TW, Planescape Torment, or, from a different genre, Broken Sword for instance? (yes, I played them and absolutely loved them, I'm not completely game-illiterate, yay!) Do such people really exist and if so, do they realise the disservice they're doing to themselves?
@Dona, thanks for bringing the wishroom up, didn't know this existed - but I already like it a lot!