[.Volsung.]

Costin Moroianu said:

Cyberpunk 2020 is a pen and paper game, Cyberpunk 2077 is game that is not out yet. Furthermore a character you created on paper would not work well for a video game. ›››

Uh yes, I am aware of that. But the setting, the Cyberpunk game (or Cyberpunk 2020 if you will) is a well-established (pen and paper) game where people have traditionally created their own characters and, therefore, very likely expect to do that in a video game as well. Even if a CP2020 character doesn't fit into CP2077, what I am talking about is the style/approach to playing the general "Cyberpunk" role-playing game (PnP or computer). People create their own characters for CP2020, just like they do for Dungeons and Dragons. The setting is made to respond to that. The world of games like The Witcher, however, was made and designed to respond to Geralt.

Costin Moroianu said:

What exactly would be wrong with that pray tell? You think there is no set character ( as in with a specific past, gender looks and so on ) on a infinity engine game?

Two words: Nameless One. ›››

Yes, there is nothing wrong. We all enjoyed playing as Geralt in the Witcher, and the Nameless One in PS:T. PS:T is a peculiar case however, since it was more like a side project. And even if TNO has a preset background, you get to choose talents and classes in a slightly more meaningful way than specializing Geralt as a magic- or sword-oriented witcher.

All I'm saying is that Cyberpunk 2077 would probably be a richer experience if, like in D&D based computer RPG's, people get to create their own characters. There are roles/classes, talents, interactions, rules already defined, and it would make sense to use them especially if CP2077 draws so much from CP2020. This player created character doesn't *have* to be a blank slate, though. You can choose or be assigned a general background that makes your motivations fit within the game story.

[Costin Moroianu]

I personally don't care about classes or abilities ( or even looks for that matter ). What I do care about is name. I DESPISE not having people refer to my character by his or her name which is what irks me tremendously in ME and DA and why I love TW and AP because people refer to Geralt and Mike Thorton by their names.

Then there's background which I do want to be fixed and motivation which I believe should not be ( or what's the point of an RPG?

I would be willing to accept multiple backgrounds which all be well crafted to suit the game.

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very likely expect to do that in a video game as well.

Should I just because of what Cyberpunk 2077 is? CDPR has shown they can make changes with the license they are given and they have already done so with the witcher. In fact they were willing to give you a blank slate protagonist but scrapped that not because it wouldn't fit the universe or something along those lines but because THEY wanted to play Geralt.

[Guy N'wah]

Costin Moroianu said:

I personally don't care about classes or abilities ( or even looks for that matter ). What I do care about is name. I DESPISE not having people refer to my character by his or her name which is what irks me tremendously in ME and DA and why I love TW and AP because people refer to Geralt and Mike Thorton by their names.

Then there's background which I do want to be fixed and motivation which I believe should not be ( or what's the point of an RPG?

I would be willing to accept multiple backgrounds which all be well crafted to suit the game.



Should I just because of what Cyberpunk 2077 is? CDPR has shown they can make changes with the license they are given and they have already done so with the witcher. In fact they were willing to give you a blank slate protagonist but scrapped that not because it wouldn't fit the universe or something along those lines but because THEY wanted to play Geralt. ›››

There's a substantial difference there. The background canon for The Witcher is a series of books, written by an author who is publicly indifferent to games. But for Cyberpunk 2077, not only are there a detailed rule set and a series of P&P games, but the author of these is a key participant in the work to create the game.

So I would expect Cyberpunk 2077 to adhere more closely to the features of the P&P games: how closely? Not completely, but to the extent that canonical P&P rules that are suitable for implementing into the game should be implemented. This should and probably will extend to allowing substantial character customization.

That doesn't exclude having prefabricated character identities (including a set of well-known names) and backstories. I think those would be very desirable. But I also believe it doesn't exclude, and nobody should demand that it exclude, completely roll-your-own characters.

[Corylea]

.Volsung. said:

In other news, last night I reinstalled The Witcher EE! I think I'll play it all over again. One of my coworkers is playing it for the first time after I indirectly coerced him into it with my constant praise, and discussing the game with him made me want to play again ›››

The first Witcher? It's cool that people are still discovering this game, five years later. Of course, people are still discovering P:T more than a dozen years later, so I guess great games keep on being great.

When I was making the Sex Takes Time mod, I kept going back and forth. I've played TW1 a lot, and I've modded it a lot, so I've spent much of the last five years doing TW1 stuff. And half the time that I was testing the mod, I'd think, "I am SO tired of The Witcher. I really need to move on." And half the time, I'd think, "This is SUCH a great game. I really do love it." I remember you said you'd play Baldur's Gate in your head with Pangaea and me, because you'd played it so much you didn't have to play it for real. So I think maybe you understand.


@Guy -- You have to stop making so much sense, or there won't be any room for other people to post; you'll have said everything sensible that can be said.

[Guy N'wah]

Corylea said:

The first Witcher? It's cool that people are still discovering this game, five years later. Of course, people are still discovering P:T more than a dozen years later, so I guess great games keep on being great. />

When I was making the Sex Takes Time mod, I kept going back and forth. I've played TW1 a lot, and I've modded it a lot, so I've spent much of the last five years doing TW1 stuff. And half the time that I was testing the mod, I'd think, "I am SO tired of The Witcher. I really need to move on." And half the time, I'd think, "This is SUCH a great game. I really do love it." /> I remember you said you'd play Baldur's Gate in your head with Pangaea and me, because you'd played it so much you didn't have to play it for real. So I think maybe you understand. />


@Guy -- You have to stop making so much sense, or there won't be any room for other people to post; you'll have said everything sensible that can be said. /> ›››

At the risk of making too much sense, I wonder if the discussion of Cyberpunk 2077 character creation should commandeer a technical and make its way to the Character Customization! thread on the Cyberpunk 2077 forum.

[.Volsung.]

Corylea said:

The first Witcher? It's cool that people are still discovering this game, five years later. Of course, people are still discovering P:T more than a dozen years later, so I guess great games keep on being great. ›››

Yes, the first Witcher! Last time I played was in 2010 and it was in my (re) play list, but it suddenly became number one

And honestly, even after playing TW2 multiple times, I still think the visuals and combat in TW1 are GREAT. And the atmosphere is unrivaled.

Oh and BTW, this time around I will make sure to play Medical Problems.

Corylea said:

So I think maybe you understand. ›››

Yes, absolutely

[Costin Moroianu]

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But I also believe it doesn't exclude, and nobody should demand that it exclude, completely roll-your-own characters.

I am already on the edge with regards to Cyberpunk ( which I don't really give a damn about as a genre ) and or an open world game and if they a roll-your-own character...well I might just decide it's not worth my money.

CDPR will do what they want at the end of the day and I'm fine with that, they are NOT under any obligation to make a game in the way I want, but they are not under any obligation to make a game under the very specific rules of Cyberpunk either.

[Dragon'sDream]

Costin Moroianu said:

they are not under any obligation to make a game under the very specific rules of Cyberpunk either. ›››

Actually, since they are using someone else's licensed material, they may very well be. For all we know, inclusion of specific elements of the original P&P game as well as input from the original creator may have been included in the contract.

[dragonbird]

Sigh.
I came in for a quick drink before starting work, and what do I find?
I'm already AT work.

[SlimeDynamiteD]

dragonbird said:

Sigh.
I came in for a quick drink before starting work, and what do I find?
I'm already AT work. ›››

I see what you did there.

[slimgrin]

▫ Dona ▫ said:

It looks nice, although I'm not getting TES vibes from it. I wonder what the actual game will be like.

Those indeed look like Imperials. No idea who the others are, I think they are adding new factions + the three player factions that the characters in the trailer represent.

edit: found a wiki article about factions http://elderscrolls....actions_(Online) ›››

Well I assume the blonde guy is a Nord, and is the chick a high elf? I'm not too familiar with the lore. All the characters had a unique look though. The trailer is too bombastic and stylized for my taste but it's hard not to admire the degree of realism in it. And dat armor.

[Corylea]

.Volsung. said:

Yes, the first Witcher! Last time I played was in 2010 and it was in my (re) play list, but it suddenly became number one

I know what you mean. I gave a friend some mystery novels for Christmas and then felt that I HAD to re-read them, reading them with her in mind.

.Volsung. said:

And honestly, even after playing TW2 multiple times, I still think the visuals and combat in TW1 are GREAT. And the atmosphere is unrivaled.

The graphics in TW2 were gorgeous, but photorealism isn't required for me to enjoy a game's graphics. As you say, I thought TW1 was still lovely. And I actually like TW1's combat better, because I'm an old-school RPG'er, and I like to use the character's physical skills for the combat.

.Volsung. said:

Oh and BTW, this time around I will make sure to play Medical Problems.

Yay! I look forward to seeing what you think of it.

My husband recently played MP1 (finally!), and while watching him play it, I realized that I'd learned a few things while making MP2, and I wanted to polish up a few rough edges in MP1. I've been working on a slightly improved version of MP1 -- I guess if I'm in keeping with Witcher gaming tradition, I should call that the Enhanced Edition of MP1 -- but I haven't been quick about getting it out the door because I figure most people who want to play MP1 have already done so. But if you're going to be playing, maybe I'll get that new version finished up. Thanks for the inadvertent kick in the pants.

[▫ Dona ▫]

slimgrin said:

Well I assume the blonde guy is a Nord, and is the chick a high elf? I'm not too familiar with the lore. All the characters had a unique look though. The trailer is too bombastic and stylized for my taste but it's hard not to admire the degree of realism in it. And dat armor. ›››

Yeah, the big guy is a Nord, the girl is a High Elf, and the acrobatic rogue is a Breton. The Breton especially turned out very... Breton-ish, something that's hard to pull of with realistic graphics. Although they definitely toned down High and Dark elves (no pointy chins or weird eyebrows!)

I know, the armour is beautiful! Especially the Breton's.

Breton, Breton, Breton. Well, I always had one as a follower, might as well be them next time

[SlimeDynamiteD]

I'm most likely going to be a High Elf
I loved the assassin like action of the Breton in that trailer though I find that the Aldmeri Dominion and Queen What's-her-name have the best claim to the throne and will most likely be the best ruler in Tamriel.

That said I'm still not sure about the class I want to play, and weapons I want to use.. Hopefuy I get to play the Beta and find out!

[secondchildren]

May I sit here and have a milkshake for a while? I've tried to stay in CP forum, just to discover that I prefer to stay here. It's not about the game of course (I'm burning to see it). It's all so dull and uninteresting there!

*inhale* Home sweet home

(if only it were like Vtm-Bloodlines.... if only)

Here me, Dev?

[Bloth]

Hello SecondChildren, good to set one of the A team back. Damn that's a good idea, thinking about it Bloodlines setting almost is Cyberpunk, a dark dystopian vision of society and civilisation. Just need to add the tech really.

[Corylea]

Second! Hi, hon. *hug* Good to see your virtual face here.

[Pham]

Oh hey there, long time no see. Nice to see you here.

[gregski]

Welcome back, Secondchilren!

[Costin Moroianu]

Welcome back.