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PM alvin is young.
alvin meets geralt.
alvin jumps back in time.
alvin grows into a man, advancing his powers, his amulett get WORN under his armor, only
this time without anyone to check on him or even worse: what we don't know is his life before the great plain ....
did he meet some crazy old magicians which enforced his nightmaric visions of the future (the icy plains) and his need to
shape the future. I mean he was together with you (a Witcher), a young Witch (Abigail), a sorceress (Triss) or a healer (Shani), played
kill non-human with others.....this could get a little too much for a magic-pained kid
alvin=GM avoids meeting himself in MurkyWaters and sends the FlamingRose troops
alvin=GM lives over the point of his teleport and now tries to actively
influence Geralt, this is the future for him as well. all before was just a rematch.
GM meets Geralt in swamp
he then says after defeating the swamp monsters that he just returns the favor (does he mean Ch1 / rescue from hellhounds ? i think so)
GM/Geralt talk of the snarly voices, no agreement is reached
the cool thing is, that since it is never spoken out DIRECTLY, like an update in your questlog: ALVIN = GM or TRISS = SHANI with a wig.
therefore the writers can still pull a 180 and imagine ANYTHING for the sequel.
i think that's why they said they did WANT to leave it confusing.
but right now it's the most "logical" option of all imo.
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[EPILOGUE] Alvin's identity
29.11.2007 @ 15:04 #42
If the Gm isn't Alvin, the whole story doesn't make sense.
During all the game people ask you if you think if the Destiny exist: You can say yes, i'm just a puppet and the story is already written, or you can say no, so i'm the only one responble of my acts... Since Alvin was like your son during a moment and you tried to teach him the moral, you are responsible of what he is become : the GM. You are the one who doomed Vizima, let Leo die (It's why he come back as a ghost) and all the other bad things the GM do. It's why you are the champion of the great hunt too. Here make point to trust or not in Destiny. The father killing his boy without know it. It's what we call a Tragedy and why the Witcher is so good.
A young blond boy that have hairs and eyes changing color isn't exepctionnel. At the begining we see him posseded by his power. Perhaps the amulet helped him at the beginning but getting older his power must have become be greater. And power corrupt. And look like he get involved in the great war. War can change a good boy into something darker.
Personnaly I think the gm never tried to kill Geralt. Look at the end, if you choose to kill him he don't stop you, him, the Grand master of teleportation. The guys that can create a great illusion like the final level can't even escape a witcher? I think he wanted to die, it's why he never say to Geralt who he is really.
And final point : we don't know if Alvin jumped directly back in time from the chapter 4. Perhaps he make a jump into the futur before... Perhaps it's just the first act af the Alvin/Geralt story.
During all the game people ask you if you think if the Destiny exist: You can say yes, i'm just a puppet and the story is already written, or you can say no, so i'm the only one responble of my acts... Since Alvin was like your son during a moment and you tried to teach him the moral, you are responsible of what he is become : the GM. You are the one who doomed Vizima, let Leo die (It's why he come back as a ghost) and all the other bad things the GM do. It's why you are the champion of the great hunt too. Here make point to trust or not in Destiny. The father killing his boy without know it. It's what we call a Tragedy and why the Witcher is so good.
A young blond boy that have hairs and eyes changing color isn't exepctionnel. At the begining we see him posseded by his power. Perhaps the amulet helped him at the beginning but getting older his power must have become be greater. And power corrupt. And look like he get involved in the great war. War can change a good boy into something darker.
Personnaly I think the gm never tried to kill Geralt. Look at the end, if you choose to kill him he don't stop you, him, the Grand master of teleportation. The guys that can create a great illusion like the final level can't even escape a witcher? I think he wanted to die, it's why he never say to Geralt who he is really.
And final point : we don't know if Alvin jumped directly back in time from the chapter 4. Perhaps he make a jump into the futur before... Perhaps it's just the first act af the Alvin/Geralt story.
29.11.2007 @ 21:04 #43
alvin is the gm if you notice in the ice plains when you talked to him in act 4 i think you can tell him what he should do about his visions i said he should listen to them or somthing close to that and GM says somthing close to that the thing about him cloning geralt i think is redicious think geralt was revived by the king of the wild hunt :( but who knows
01.12.2007 @ 17:45 #44
Alvin = Jacques? YES!
Without saying that everything we read here is a CLEAR sign that Alvin = Jacques is true, but there are many little things in the story which can be interpreted in this way:
Chapter III:
Bring him to Triss -> Alvin hates you and here because of the way u teach him -> Jaques fights you
Bring him to Shani -> Alvin wants to be like you because of the way you teach him -> Jaques uses magic and fights the evil (allthough he made a other choice about what the evil is)
Chapter IV:
Finding Alvin at the river, he tells you that he want to become a Witcher one day. U can tell him:
-To be a Witcher is pain -> Jaques helped to produce some kind of "better" witchers without feelings (to "protect" the weak, like Jaques said)
-There is no one left to do a full mutation -> Jaques helped to steel the "HOW TO MUTATE"-Box from the Witchers stronghold and tries to produce new witchers
-He should be a knight instead -> Jaques is a knight of the Order
And also in Chapter IV Alvin is held hostage by the Scaja'tel which could tell us why Jaques fights all elves and dwarfs.
Epilogue
On the way to the final fight and even before that Jaques says some things which sound like things Geralt told Alvin.
In the dialogue with the Ghost of the Hunt, he tells Geralt that he formally knew Jaques under a other name.
Jaques has a amulet in his hand at the end. One like you gave Alvin in Chapter IV to control his magic powers or in other words to take his bad dreams away. I guess that didn't work properly.
And when u kill Jaques he says something in a way I think the little Alvin is speaking out of him. Because maybe he remembers that silver swords are for Monsters ONLY and he could not belive that Geralt is going to kill him with one of those. (yes, that one is really far-fetched)
Some of those thing were allready mentioned.
To the other Question, who is that witcher assassin at the final sequence:
I would say its one of the Orders experiments. Which obviously worked better than the older once. Maybe made by some allys of the Order or even by Siegfried. (alltough i dont know if u could have killed him in the streets of the temple district in the epilogue) Yes thats far fetched too, but not impossible.
About the question of training. The assassin used no signs which shows that he is no complete witcher. And to be some opponent to Geralt they just would have needed to take a excelent sword fighter and let him mutate to give him extra speed and strength.
And i dont think its a witcher of a other school because Witchers (if i got that one rigth) allways stay neutral. And depending on the way u play the game, Geralt stays neutral too, only fighting everything in his way to get the "HOW TO BECOME A WITCHER"-Handbook back from the Salamandra.
Without saying that everything we read here is a CLEAR sign that Alvin = Jacques is true, but there are many little things in the story which can be interpreted in this way:
Chapter III:
Bring him to Triss -> Alvin hates you and here because of the way u teach him -> Jaques fights you
Bring him to Shani -> Alvin wants to be like you because of the way you teach him -> Jaques uses magic and fights the evil (allthough he made a other choice about what the evil is)
Chapter IV:
Finding Alvin at the river, he tells you that he want to become a Witcher one day. U can tell him:
-To be a Witcher is pain -> Jaques helped to produce some kind of "better" witchers without feelings (to "protect" the weak, like Jaques said)
-There is no one left to do a full mutation -> Jaques helped to steel the "HOW TO MUTATE"-Box from the Witchers stronghold and tries to produce new witchers
-He should be a knight instead -> Jaques is a knight of the Order
And also in Chapter IV Alvin is held hostage by the Scaja'tel which could tell us why Jaques fights all elves and dwarfs.
Epilogue
On the way to the final fight and even before that Jaques says some things which sound like things Geralt told Alvin.
In the dialogue with the Ghost of the Hunt, he tells Geralt that he formally knew Jaques under a other name.
Jaques has a amulet in his hand at the end. One like you gave Alvin in Chapter IV to control his magic powers or in other words to take his bad dreams away. I guess that didn't work properly.
And when u kill Jaques he says something in a way I think the little Alvin is speaking out of him. Because maybe he remembers that silver swords are for Monsters ONLY and he could not belive that Geralt is going to kill him with one of those. (yes, that one is really far-fetched)
Some of those thing were allready mentioned.
To the other Question, who is that witcher assassin at the final sequence:
I would say its one of the Orders experiments. Which obviously worked better than the older once. Maybe made by some allys of the Order or even by Siegfried. (alltough i dont know if u could have killed him in the streets of the temple district in the epilogue) Yes thats far fetched too, but not impossible.
About the question of training. The assassin used no signs which shows that he is no complete witcher. And to be some opponent to Geralt they just would have needed to take a excelent sword fighter and let him mutate to give him extra speed and strength.
And i dont think its a witcher of a other school because Witchers (if i got that one rigth) allways stay neutral. And depending on the way u play the game, Geralt stays neutral too, only fighting everything in his way to get the "HOW TO BECOME A WITCHER"-Handbook back from the Salamandra.
01.12.2007 @ 18:23 #45
hey dude Balduran, i dont wanan be rude, but dont extrapolate UR context from the dialogues.....u just passed the fact that when the elfs kidnaped Alvin, he ask why scoia'tael are doing it...
AND IF U CHOOSE TO SAY "Because the yare doing it for libertè egalitè fraternitè" (sorry i have the italian evrsion, cant know how sund in english :P )
can u explain to me why Alvin hate elves and dwarves in any way??? (even if u choose what i have wrote on bottom)
AND IF U CHOOSE TO SAY "Because the yare doing it for libertè egalitè fraternitè" (sorry i have the italian evrsion, cant know how sund in english :P )
can u explain to me why Alvin hate elves and dwarves in any way??? (even if u choose what i have wrote on bottom)
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01.12.2007 @ 23:16 #46
I think the 'libertè egalitè fraternitè' seems poorly translated. In English I believe it says something about they're fighting for an ideal and think they have no other choice but to rise up against humans to keep their freedom.
And yes, that's the 'I understand them' response. The neutral response basically says they are ignorant and unwilling to accept change, while the 'evil' response says they lost their touch and are now raging lunatics who love nothing more than to kill humans.
So even though Geralt, with that line, means they may follow a respectable cause, he does specifically mention that the elves will never give up their cause peacefully. Alvin, young and easily intimidated by the voices in his head, translates it to 'and so humans have no choice but to eliminate that threat before it's too late because elves can't be reasoned with'.
Makes perfect sense, in my opinion. The grand master does not hate non humans for what they are (unless of course, you told him to.. by giving the 'evil' answer), but he believes they are a threat to the existence of humanity. When de Aldersberg came into power, he most likely initially only spread the idea not to trust non-humans, not to outright hate them. This in turn led to them being treated unequally to humans by the people in human kingdoms. The result should be pretty clear because it's emphasized throughout the game. He (Aldersberg) may not even realize that in his actions he himself is the cause of the apocalypse he's predicting, based on the prophecy ::)
And yes, that's the 'I understand them' response. The neutral response basically says they are ignorant and unwilling to accept change, while the 'evil' response says they lost their touch and are now raging lunatics who love nothing more than to kill humans.
So even though Geralt, with that line, means they may follow a respectable cause, he does specifically mention that the elves will never give up their cause peacefully. Alvin, young and easily intimidated by the voices in his head, translates it to 'and so humans have no choice but to eliminate that threat before it's too late because elves can't be reasoned with'.
Makes perfect sense, in my opinion. The grand master does not hate non humans for what they are (unless of course, you told him to.. by giving the 'evil' answer), but he believes they are a threat to the existence of humanity. When de Aldersberg came into power, he most likely initially only spread the idea not to trust non-humans, not to outright hate them. This in turn led to them being treated unequally to humans by the people in human kingdoms. The result should be pretty clear because it's emphasized throughout the game. He (Aldersberg) may not even realize that in his actions he himself is the cause of the apocalypse he's predicting, based on the prophecy ::)
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02.12.2007 @ 05:52 #47
About that amulet.
I think it just never worked. I mean, Alvin was still having minor visions and stuff even AFTER you gave it to him. Sure it might of HELPED, but as he got older it probably stoped entirely. The only reason why he kept it on was probably because he saw it as something to cling to. He always seemed to dislike his visions and even though he KNEW the amulet wasn't helping, he probably kept it on anyways conviencing himself that it was.
Kind of like in The 6th Sense. The boy can see dead people and constently collects "holy" items to try and ward off the dead people, even though he knows it doesn't work. But he keeps at it because a part of him wants to feel safe, and the "holy" items help create that illusion.
Alvin probably kept the amulet to keep the illusion that he was still in control of his visions.
He was a very troubled man. It's not that much of a stretch that he grew currupt like Anakin Skywalker and did evil things in the name of "the greater good".
I think it just never worked. I mean, Alvin was still having minor visions and stuff even AFTER you gave it to him. Sure it might of HELPED, but as he got older it probably stoped entirely. The only reason why he kept it on was probably because he saw it as something to cling to. He always seemed to dislike his visions and even though he KNEW the amulet wasn't helping, he probably kept it on anyways conviencing himself that it was.
Kind of like in The 6th Sense. The boy can see dead people and constently collects "holy" items to try and ward off the dead people, even though he knows it doesn't work. But he keeps at it because a part of him wants to feel safe, and the "holy" items help create that illusion.
Alvin probably kept the amulet to keep the illusion that he was still in control of his visions.
He was a very troubled man. It's not that much of a stretch that he grew currupt like Anakin Skywalker and did evil things in the name of "the greater good".
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03.12.2007 @ 03:39 #49
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So even though Geralt, with that line, means they may follow a respectable cause, he does specifically mention that the elves will never give up their cause peacefully. Alvin, young and easily intimidated by the voices in his head, translates it to 'and so humans have no choice but to eliminate that threat before it's too late because elves can't be reasoned with'.
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I fully agree with that. Alvin simply gets it wrong and even tells this in a response. But i only have some savegames at the end of chapter V left (in hope for a expansion where i need them ;D), so i can't look for it myself. Maybe someone else can tell us what Alvin answers at the good / neutral / evil attitude are.
03.12.2007 @ 15:14 #50
Well I've been thinking and a lot of things make a lot of sense and others do not.
1. Alvin = GM, is quite accaptable theory for me. Has the amulet, always plays " kill the elves" as a child, etc. Even though he doesnt have brown hair which is a glitch on the creators behalf in my opinion. It is understandable thourgh time-space continuum. He goes back to the past in the future becomes GM and as a grown up does stuff that influence his young form. Thus this repeats itself through each and every dimension till the end of time.
2. Who is the guy in the outro? Ii is surely not Alvin because that messes up the whole first pointh of my post neither is it Berengar cause I have no inclination to belive that he somehow has risen from his grave. I dont think its a witcher (no amulet, different style, dual-wield). If xou lookm at their expression it is trivial that he is someone they know. If you know something about this please tell me.
3. The journal copntains info about the large hairy humanoids in the frozen wastes. It says they lived in the land long bfore our time and fossils have been found. GM states that these are deviolved humans. BUT humans came to these land after the elves, the was no evolution! This is a HUGE glitch!
1. Alvin = GM, is quite accaptable theory for me. Has the amulet, always plays " kill the elves" as a child, etc. Even though he doesnt have brown hair which is a glitch on the creators behalf in my opinion. It is understandable thourgh time-space continuum. He goes back to the past in the future becomes GM and as a grown up does stuff that influence his young form. Thus this repeats itself through each and every dimension till the end of time.
2. Who is the guy in the outro? Ii is surely not Alvin because that messes up the whole first pointh of my post neither is it Berengar cause I have no inclination to belive that he somehow has risen from his grave. I dont think its a witcher (no amulet, different style, dual-wield). If xou lookm at their expression it is trivial that he is someone they know. If you know something about this please tell me.
3. The journal copntains info about the large hairy humanoids in the frozen wastes. It says they lived in the land long bfore our time and fossils have been found. GM states that these are deviolved humans. BUT humans came to these land after the elves, the was no evolution! This is a HUGE glitch!
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03.12.2007 @ 16:55 #51
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1. Alvin = GM, is quite accaptable theory for me. Has the amulet, always plays " kill the elves" as a child, etc. Even though he doesnt have brown hair which is a glitch on the creators behalf in my opinion. It is understandable thourgh time-space continuum. He goes back to the past in the future becomes GM and as a grown up does stuff that influence his young form. Thus this repeats itself through each and every dimension till the end of time.
Yes, the grown up Jacques, with his actions, has a big influence on the little Alvin and in this way there is a mysterious circulation in it. But Jacques himself does not know about that, i think. Becaus he cant see the future or the past using his powers. He doesnt know all the consequences of his doings. He only has his visions about the prophecy and tries to fight it in his way. Thats why he tries to "rescue" the human race and, at the Epilogue, allways tries to convince Geralt to join his cause. Otherwise he should have known that it will not work AND he will die at the end.
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2. Who is the guy in the outro? Ii is surely not Alvin because that messes up the whole first pointh of my post neither is it Berengar cause I have no inclination to belive that he somehow has risen from his grave. I dont think its a witcher (no amulet, different style, dual-wield). If xou lookm at their expression it is trivial that he is someone they know. If you know something about this please tell me.
I think the reason for the "dramatic" faces of Geralt and the King is, that the assassin has signs of the witcher mutation (for example the eyes and speed) and is not like those other mutants (rough and stupid) Geralt faced before. The things u mentioned, no amulet, different style, dual-wield, just show that its no regular witcher from one of the "lost" schools, which makes it more ominous. There must be a new (somehow connected to the old) threat which is able to "produce" witchers and maybe now only a hand full of assassins but perhaps in the future a army, if no one stops them.
AND THATS IT! Geralts Quest to retrieve the Witchers secrets has not ended yet! Welcome to the Expansion pack. Is that to much of a spoiler? :o
Parts of what i said were already mentioned by others in this thread.
I cant answer the 3rd point because i only can remember the explainations of Jacques about what they are.
03.12.2007 @ 17:15 #52
My impression was that the GM was of Elder Blood just like Alvin. So they were both children of this certain elven ancestor whaterver (if you caught the story on the children of Elder Blood in the game). These children all had varying degrees of latent magical ability and some were very powerful (but also this story hintied very uncontrolled). This seemed to fit the profile of the GM, to me alot more than him being Alvins time traveled self. HIs appearance and personality also seemed totally diff. The only realy link I saw was the neclace
07.12.2007 @ 12:04 #54
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1. at no point during the story does Alvin time travel, he merely teleports to a safe place
No, he teleports to somewhere and we don't know where. Triss, who is a sorceres so she is an authority on magic, mentions that someone of his power could be anywhere in space AND TIME!
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2. (in my story) the locket tis given to Alving by Geralt from Shani, a means to control his nightmares. If it was given y Triss, all kinds of consequences could ensue.
I played with Triss on my side and everything happened the same. And what conseqvences are you referring to? You make a vague assumption with and unspoken implications and expect it to be a proper reason?
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3. (in my story, henceforth refferred to as IMS), Alvin is treated like a son, one who should not become a withcer and love all races.
Again, how is this a reason? He is treated as a son for only a relatively short time. And for me, he didn't hate the other races. He just view them in the way.
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4. This whole time travel thing is ridiculous. I've hearrd everything from Alvin cloned Geralt (even though Alving was born beofre Geralt initially died), to the huntsman (death) actually using geralt to pursue Alvin (if he was GM), which of course makes no sense, cause death would be fed much more if indeed Alving was the GM.
That is not an argument, that is an opinion. As for the King of the Wild Hunt, I don't think anyone here really knows what the hell is he or what does he want.
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5. Once Alvin is given the necklace he no longer does his edorcist stuff. This necklase IMS is given by SHani, who has no sorercess posers and could therfore not make the amulet enable Alvin to exapnd his abilities, but supress and control them.
The dutrenium (or whatever the hell it was called) amulet is not magical. It is made out of a metal that supresses magic. It isn't made. I can figure how Triss got her hands on one, but Shani? Regardless, Shani would need no magical spells to get an amulet. However, it does not prevent it: it will only hamper it. The game itself mentions that powerful sorcerers can overcome the metal's power.
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7. At no point in the story is Jaques de Alsberg mentioned in relation to Alvin. Why would Alving have chosen the name Jake? We meet no one on our travels even resembling this figure. As in rea life, most people take on nomencaltures based upon their herores, in which cause, if Alvin was the GM, his name would have been something like Geralto fo Alsberg.
Simple explenation: He was re-christianed by someone else then he. He didn't choose the name. Also, allot of happened between the time Alvin is with Geralt and he meets him again in the swamp.
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8. This story isnt about about time travel, or alvin's ability to do so. yes he is one of the chosen, but when we leave him at the village, he is still unable to control his thoughs, which means if we was able to, his thoughts would have made the attack on murky waters happen, his disapperance despite his love for geralt and tru family with shani, etc. so it begs the question, why does he allows himself to be captured by salamandra?
And it is because he can't control his powers is why he ended up in the past.
And the Salamandra do not want to kill him. Jaques probably views the event as charecter building or inevetible or something. Or perhaps he doesn't remember it at all or doesn't bother with his past self. We are talknig abotu a nutcase here. The most likely reason the Salamandra kidnapped Alvin is because Alvin is obviously a Sorce and Salamandra needs sorcerers.
Here are arguments why Alvin IS Jaques.
1. The amulet. Duh. Too big a coincidence. Those things do not sprout on trees. Jaques most likely whore it to help him control his powers. Who other has problems with controlling his powers? Alvin. Jaques is obviously very powerful Source, and Alvin managed to teleport himself even when he wore the amulet.
And it was the same amulet that you gave to Alvin, just older. Jaques is the adult version of Alvin, so it is obvious that time has passed.
2. Alvin has visions of the Ilthrina (or whoever she was called) prophecies THE VERY FIRST TIME YOU MEET HIM! Jaques is OBSESSED with his vision.
3. The tipping point for me was when during the winter wasteland scene, Jaques sayed something like "You always told me that my visions were a gift." Hello? We didn't chat with Jaques before, but IMG (In My Game) I told Alvin that his visions were a gift when he asked me about it.
4. Furthermore, the Revenent got Alvin and started to indoctorine him with the Eternal Fire cult, something that has a lasting effect on him. Jaques is the head of its militant arm, and is a fanatic. Combine the idea of worshipping fire and the visions of the winter wastelands, you can see why.
5. Alvin is fasinated by witchers. However, as he grew up he found himself dissapointed to learn that witchers were pragmatist and were poor.
However, as he curiously learned about them, he must have learned about how witchers are mutated. His will trough the Salamandra, the dark hand of the Order, to get the secrets of the witchers is somewhat a compensation for his broken figure of witchers.
He abandons the idea of witchers, but is still fasinated by the idea of creating and turning regular humans into something else. The Greater Brothers or whatever those things were called, are his deluded perception of what his deranged mind once viewed witchers: superhero/superhero protectors of common folk. He mentions it during the winter wasteland scenes: "The people need the image of noble knights to guide them, not a hand asking for coin".
6. Jaques only appears afte Alvin disappears. If he were to appear beforehand, then whatever effect you had on Alvin would have broken the charecter you initially saw. Yes, my argument is the plot device Alvin is. You influence Alvin, and Jaques has impressions and his charecter is influenced by how you acted towards Alvin. If it wouldn't be, then Jaques would be a seperate person.
So here is what most likely happened after Alvin teleported: he finds the Eternal Fire cult, which was downlooked and minor at a certain point. Perhaps he even helped found the cult. He is re-named. He gotten disillusionized about witchers. His visions returned, and it was nothing but the Eternal Fire cult that viewed it as a comformation of their beliefs and supported Alvin. Other people would have freaked out and chased Alvin away. The Eternal Fire cult shelters Alvin and indoctorates him. You have no idea what you can do with a emotionally freaked and depressed person that is all alone.
What happens after this is obvious: Alvin grows up, becomes a knight, grows a beard and turns the Eternal Fire cult along with the Order of the Flaming Rose into what it was in the game.
08.12.2007 @ 23:58 #55
my reasons why alvin is gm
1. he had that amulet on him (that did kind of make it weird though like they wanted you to think of it)
2. gm quotes things that you told alvin in act 4
3. ;D this isnt an important reason but alvin when you talk to alvin in act 4 he mentions a game he played where he killed elves and he says " i play as the grandmaster i always win :)
4. alvin is surpose to attract powerful ghosts or monsters and when you beat the gm in the end the king of the wild hunt wants to claim him for some reason because hes all power and stuff :)
well thats what i think ;D hope im right
1. he had that amulet on him (that did kind of make it weird though like they wanted you to think of it)
2. gm quotes things that you told alvin in act 4
3. ;D this isnt an important reason but alvin when you talk to alvin in act 4 he mentions a game he played where he killed elves and he says " i play as the grandmaster i always win :)
4. alvin is surpose to attract powerful ghosts or monsters and when you beat the gm in the end the king of the wild hunt wants to claim him for some reason because hes all power and stuff :)
well thats what i think ;D hope im right
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09.12.2007 @ 15:36 #56
Think you're not:
C'mon guys, at some parts of the story it would make sense that Alvin's the GM, but to be honest there some tings that make it impossible to say so: When do meet Alvin for the first time ? Chapter One, fleeing from some monsters; when do you hear of the order for the first time ? chapter One ! And therefore Alvin can't be the GM for then he would have to be there twice, as Alvin and as the Grandmaster (no GM, no order,but the order already exists at a time when Geralt and Alvin didn't even know each other !!) , which is not possible. And: since they dont' know each other yet at that time it is also impossible for Alvin to use Geralt as an assassin; that crap about time travel etc. allowing him to be whereever he wants to be, whenever he wants to and to do whatever he wants to is riduculous, even timetravel underlies certainrules !
About the assassin: the face was to sort of slim, Geralt's face is broader; there is whatsoever no reason for Geralt to look any different, timetravel doesn't change your face in such a way, does it ? And: Geralt would have had to hbe of a different age then, since it is about TIME !!!
And: why would Geralt, being a master of the sword, ever want to kill someone (a Witcher doesn't assassinate humans by the way) with a dagger ??
AND: that stuff about Alvin using Geralt as assassin to kill the king etc., sending him forward and backward through the time, safing his life, having his life saved by him etc., that's all a little bit...ludicrous, since why would Geralt ever want to kill the king or support someone, who wants a sort of new world order by killing all Elves and Dwarfes etc. ? Geralt is not Alvin's servant or anything of that kind; and: the assassin looked first of all nothing like Geralt apart from the eyes (and Geralt is not the only Witcher outta there, there might be others with that kind of eyes), he even doesn't have white hair (the beard is black, pitch black, Geralt's is kinda dark grey !). And Geralt can't be a Witcher without his white hair.
And for those here saying Geralt cannot be killed by pitchfork: if four sharp and 50 cms long bars of metall are being thrust through your body (they would go right through your body, coming out at your back!!) no one is ever going to survive that, a Witcher my survive that barely (which he did) !!!
So cut the crap with Geralt being such an demigod like super hero that can't be killed !
It may make sense that Alvin is the Grandmaster, but Geralt as the assassin killing himself ??? He would also have died then for how can one live after having killed his future 'clone' (as some here call it), or even worse has past 'clone' ????
That's crap.
A different question about the cutscene:
is it normal that the sound sorta turns off when the assassin (who is not Geralt !) steps out of the shadow behind the pillar, when Geralt sees the blood stained floor etc. ?
I don't mind it, just wanted to know whether this is normal.
C'mon guys, at some parts of the story it would make sense that Alvin's the GM, but to be honest there some tings that make it impossible to say so: When do meet Alvin for the first time ? Chapter One, fleeing from some monsters; when do you hear of the order for the first time ? chapter One ! And therefore Alvin can't be the GM for then he would have to be there twice, as Alvin and as the Grandmaster (no GM, no order,but the order already exists at a time when Geralt and Alvin didn't even know each other !!) , which is not possible. And: since they dont' know each other yet at that time it is also impossible for Alvin to use Geralt as an assassin; that crap about time travel etc. allowing him to be whereever he wants to be, whenever he wants to and to do whatever he wants to is riduculous, even timetravel underlies certainrules !
About the assassin: the face was to sort of slim, Geralt's face is broader; there is whatsoever no reason for Geralt to look any different, timetravel doesn't change your face in such a way, does it ? And: Geralt would have had to hbe of a different age then, since it is about TIME !!!
And: why would Geralt, being a master of the sword, ever want to kill someone (a Witcher doesn't assassinate humans by the way) with a dagger ??
AND: that stuff about Alvin using Geralt as assassin to kill the king etc., sending him forward and backward through the time, safing his life, having his life saved by him etc., that's all a little bit...ludicrous, since why would Geralt ever want to kill the king or support someone, who wants a sort of new world order by killing all Elves and Dwarfes etc. ? Geralt is not Alvin's servant or anything of that kind; and: the assassin looked first of all nothing like Geralt apart from the eyes (and Geralt is not the only Witcher outta there, there might be others with that kind of eyes), he even doesn't have white hair (the beard is black, pitch black, Geralt's is kinda dark grey !). And Geralt can't be a Witcher without his white hair.
And for those here saying Geralt cannot be killed by pitchfork: if four sharp and 50 cms long bars of metall are being thrust through your body (they would go right through your body, coming out at your back!!) no one is ever going to survive that, a Witcher my survive that barely (which he did) !!!
So cut the crap with Geralt being such an demigod like super hero that can't be killed !
It may make sense that Alvin is the Grandmaster, but Geralt as the assassin killing himself ??? He would also have died then for how can one live after having killed his future 'clone' (as some here call it), or even worse has past 'clone' ????
That's crap.
A different question about the cutscene:
is it normal that the sound sorta turns off when the assassin (who is not Geralt !) steps out of the shadow behind the pillar, when Geralt sees the blood stained floor etc. ?
I don't mind it, just wanted to know whether this is normal.
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09.12.2007 @ 17:12 #57
Brysiu, one of CDPR's representatives on these forums, said the following:
"There are MANY hints near the end of the game on what happened to Alvin (or who he became) ;D"
That alone is enough reason to believe Alvin became the GM.
"There are MANY hints near the end of the game on what happened to Alvin (or who he became) ;D"
That alone is enough reason to believe Alvin became the GM.
"You sleep safe and sound with a witcher around"
09.12.2007 @ 21:13 #58
hello guys
I might add another reason why Alvin=GM
In Chapter I when you meet King of the wild hunt in chapel's basement and choose not to believe in Destiney he will say "you will surrender a dear soul to me it has been written in your destiney"or something like that.it points to the end game when he asked you to surrender GM's soul..... :)
I might add another reason why Alvin=GM
In Chapter I when you meet King of the wild hunt in chapel's basement and choose not to believe in Destiney he will say "you will surrender a dear soul to me it has been written in your destiney"or something like that.it points to the end game when he asked you to surrender GM's soul..... :)
09.12.2007 @ 22:57 #59
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Think you're not:
C'mon guys, at some parts of the story it would make sense that Alvin's the GM, but to be honest there some tings that make it impossible to say so: When do meet Alvin for the first time ? Chapter One, fleeing from some monsters; when do you hear of the order for the first time ? chapter One ! And therefore Alvin can't be the GM for then he would have to be there twice, as Alvin and as the Grandmaster (no GM, no order,but the order already exists at a time when Geralt and Alvin didn't even know each other !!) , which is not possible. And: since they dont' know each other yet at that time it is also impossible for Alvin to use Geralt as an assassin; that crap about time travel etc. allowing him to be whereever he wants to be, whenever he wants to and to do whatever he wants to is riduculous, even timetravel underlies certainrules !
About the assassin: the face was to sort of slim, Geralt's face is broader; there is whatsoever no reason for Geralt to look any different, timetravel doesn't change your face in such a way, does it ? And: Geralt would have had to hbe of a different age then, since it is about TIME !!!
And: why would Geralt, being a master of the sword, ever want to kill someone (a Witcher doesn't assassinate humans by the way) with a dagger ??
AND: that stuff about Alvin using Geralt as assassin to kill the king etc., sending him forward and backward through the time, safing his life, having his life saved by him etc., that's all a little bit...ludicrous, since why would Geralt ever want to kill the king or support someone, who wants a sort of new world order by killing all Elves and Dwarfes etc. ? Geralt is not Alvin's servant or anything of that kind; and: the assassin looked first of all nothing like Geralt apart from the eyes (and Geralt is not the only Witcher outta there, there might be others with that kind of eyes), he even doesn't have white hair (the beard is black, pitch black, Geralt's is kinda dark grey !). And Geralt can't be a Witcher without his white hair.
And for those here saying Geralt cannot be killed by pitchfork: if four sharp and 50 cms long bars of metall are being thrust through your body (they would go right through your body, coming out at your back!!) no one is ever going to survive that, a Witcher my survive that barely (which he did) !!!
So cut the crap with Geralt being such an demigod like super hero that can't be killed !
It may make sense that Alvin is the Grandmaster, but Geralt as the assassin killing himself ??? He would also have died then for how can one live after having killed his future 'clone' (as some here call it), or even worse has past 'clone' ????
That's crap.
A different question about the cutscene:
is it normal that the sound sorta turns off when the assassin (who is not Geralt !) steps out of the shadow behind the pillar, when Geralt sees the blood stained floor etc. ?
I don't mind it, just wanted to know whether this is normal.
C'mon guys, at some parts of the story it would make sense that Alvin's the GM, but to be honest there some tings that make it impossible to say so: When do meet Alvin for the first time ? Chapter One, fleeing from some monsters; when do you hear of the order for the first time ? chapter One ! And therefore Alvin can't be the GM for then he would have to be there twice, as Alvin and as the Grandmaster (no GM, no order,but the order already exists at a time when Geralt and Alvin didn't even know each other !!) , which is not possible. And: since they dont' know each other yet at that time it is also impossible for Alvin to use Geralt as an assassin; that crap about time travel etc. allowing him to be whereever he wants to be, whenever he wants to and to do whatever he wants to is riduculous, even timetravel underlies certainrules !
About the assassin: the face was to sort of slim, Geralt's face is broader; there is whatsoever no reason for Geralt to look any different, timetravel doesn't change your face in such a way, does it ? And: Geralt would have had to hbe of a different age then, since it is about TIME !!!
And: why would Geralt, being a master of the sword, ever want to kill someone (a Witcher doesn't assassinate humans by the way) with a dagger ??
AND: that stuff about Alvin using Geralt as assassin to kill the king etc., sending him forward and backward through the time, safing his life, having his life saved by him etc., that's all a little bit...ludicrous, since why would Geralt ever want to kill the king or support someone, who wants a sort of new world order by killing all Elves and Dwarfes etc. ? Geralt is not Alvin's servant or anything of that kind; and: the assassin looked first of all nothing like Geralt apart from the eyes (and Geralt is not the only Witcher outta there, there might be others with that kind of eyes), he even doesn't have white hair (the beard is black, pitch black, Geralt's is kinda dark grey !). And Geralt can't be a Witcher without his white hair.
And for those here saying Geralt cannot be killed by pitchfork: if four sharp and 50 cms long bars of metall are being thrust through your body (they would go right through your body, coming out at your back!!) no one is ever going to survive that, a Witcher my survive that barely (which he did) !!!
So cut the crap with Geralt being such an demigod like super hero that can't be killed !
It may make sense that Alvin is the Grandmaster, but Geralt as the assassin killing himself ??? He would also have died then for how can one live after having killed his future 'clone' (as some here call it), or even worse has past 'clone' ????
That's crap.
A different question about the cutscene:
is it normal that the sound sorta turns off when the assassin (who is not Geralt !) steps out of the shadow behind the pillar, when Geralt sees the blood stained floor etc. ?
I don't mind it, just wanted to know whether this is normal.
Okay, so since when did the fact that GM = Alvin have anything to do with when he met Geralt?
I mean, if he is the GM (Which I'm 99% sure he is) then he would of used his TIME TRAVEL ABILITIES to travel back through time to a time BEFORE he met Geralt, and before he was born.
So, Alvin meets Geralt and then interacts with him for a few weeks or months or however long that was, then he travels back through time long before he met Geralt and then did God knows what, and eventually created the Order and established it in Vizima long before he was actually born.
In the attached crappy diagram, the green line represents Alvin's body as it travels through time.
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