DRM in The Witcher 3
30.07.2013 @ 02:22 #81
30.07.2013 @ 02:25 #82
It's not an expectation, it's expressing the preference (in the form of concern). CDPR in the end will do whatever they'll do.
30.07.2013 @ 02:43 #83
Seeing how Kickstarter all by itself for instance allows developers to finance their DRM-free projects without Steam or the like siphoning off their hard-earned money I’m sure it’s safe to say that they can do just fine without them. I don’t see why GoG couldn’t take Steam’s place as a sales platform if it ceased to exist.
My cabinet isn’t. No hacker is gonna crack that with the press off a button from several thousand miles away.
So now screwing over customers is okay because Valve makes money off of it? Sheesh ...
Sure. But DRM will drive honest people who normally would pay for their games to downloading them illegally so they don’t have to deal with all that bullshit. So not only does it do nothing to prevent illegal downloads, it actually increases them. Again, how can you argue in favor of it?
Well, Gabe Newell in particular won’t be around forever and in a privately owned company (especially one with such an exotic structure) the CEO can do a lot of harm since he doesn’t answer to anyone else. As for Half Life, was that a joke? “Seamlessly flowing narrative”? Half Life might as well not have a narrative, that’s how dialed back it is. And Half Life being the inventor of mods? What are you talking about? Mods existed way, way, way before it.
Looks, Valve created some nice, innovative titles in their day but they’re nowhere near the messiah of video gaming that you make them out to be.
Right, because before PC gaming was such a chore. Heck, it was almost like hard manual labor! If not for Steam all work and no play would have made us dull gamers ... not. ›››
1) Since you brought up Deus Ex: Human Revolution, the fact that steam sells triple AAA titles for less $5 ($3 In this summer sale) is amazing because not everyone can buy all the newest and good games at the start. The video game industry makes more better games then people can actually afford. People who are fans of certain franchise stick with them, but when prices through steam are so less I can forgive the DRM issue. Many people who actually bought Deus Ex in a steam sale are now supporting Eidos Montreal.
2) That's just one example, Frozenbyte, Frictional Games, Subset Games etc, have made more profit through steam then any other distribution method. GOG is not going to overcome steam any time soon. GOG is a great platform for classic games that you can't get through steam or other services such as Icewind Dale. GOG also focuses on old classics not newer games. Most people purchase newer games
3) True, that doesn't mean that someone can't destroy your PC. You will have to deal with the headache of installing every single game again. That is a chore.
4) The video game industry is just another business, screwing over customers is always going to happen in a capitalistic society. You will have to PM me if you want to further talk about it since it deals with our national interests or politics.
5) When people can't afford games or games are not provided in their regions they pirate. DRM is not the concern at all.
6) Haha this is funny, Half Life was released back in 1998, for its time it was a momentous achievement of story telling. It won over fifty PC Game of the Year awards and its gameplay influenced the design of first-person shooters for years after its release Half Life 2 even made a bigger impact in terms of a groundbreaking graphics engine and it was Game of the Decade. Valve didn't make a small contribution to gaming but a big one.
7) When I get a PC, I don't want to spend hours installing every single game through CDs. With steam, I can install my games in any PC. Like I said that is a chore.
30.07.2013 @ 04:03 #84
Let's get back to The Witcher 3. We've all clearly made up our minds. We either hate, tolerate or, (apparently ) love Steam. Now let's move on.
*Do not add extra DRM to your game. Support Linux Gaming!*
PC does not equal Windows. PC games should be available for all major platforms. Utilize standard, cross-platform technologies!
30.07.2013 @ 04:14 #85
Sure, but maybe a bad one. I don't like Steam but I would dread to think what would have happened had another company created it, a publicly owned company with shareholders.
Valve has a major advantage since it's privately owned.
Personally I believe Valve deserves a shitload of credit for making a world wide service and for making a great deal of games accessible financially either through region specific prices and/or sales.
30.07.2013 @ 06:12 #87
Costin Moroianu said:
Valve has a major advantage since it's privately owned.
Personally I believe Valve deserves a shitload of credit for making a world wide service and for making a great deal of games accessible financially either through region specific prices and/or sales. ›››
Thats what I am trying point out to Demut, you need to respect Valve and Gabe Newell for what they have done for gaming despite their DRM.
30.07.2013 @ 06:24 #89
You should still be able to truly own your games. Sure you can get nickel and dime games on there but there are still plenty I have paid good money for.
30.07.2013 @ 08:17 #90
Neither DRM nor digital/DVD version play any role in this. That you do not own the product but just acquire a licence is part of the ToS anyways, with any commercial software as far as I know.
I'm hoping for a DRM free boxed version, too. While the digital version is a good alternative, it's not equal in all situations. You mentioned the manual - I raise you a Collector's Edition: Due to the physical goodies, there's no substitute for it and if there's DRM on it the only chance is that GoG allows backup copies starting Day 1 which is not guaranteed or confirmed, yet.
In fact, I doubt that it will be possible to redeem your key at GoG right after release. After all, there's no way to make sure that the one redeeming the key is actually the owner of the copy (unless the game itself has some sort of online activation or account tie-in, which is impossible due to DRM free GoG version). I think many would abuse that offer and sell their key/backup copy, flooding the market with cheap keys CDPR doesn't earn a cent from.
30.07.2013 @ 15:48 #93
30.07.2013 @ 16:08 #94
Relax I am not trying to start a dispute with everyone who disagrees with me, instead I want people to express their ideas and opinions if you have anything else to add please feel free to do it.
30.07.2013 @ 16:31 #95
I agree that Linux should get more support from GOG and Steam alike. For a while, Steam has tried to integrate all of its games into Linux. Valve's so called Steam Box product will utilize Linux as a OS. However, the issues many developers have with Linux is video driver support. AMD does a great job in providing stable drivers, but Nvidia...unfortunately is CDPR's partner. GOG does sell a lot of older games on the other hand which would work fine. I really hate the whole idea of video game developers siding or utilizing specific technologies from different hardware manufactures.
30.07.2013 @ 17:11 #96
About drivers - I'm not sure what you mean. Nvidia's Linux driver is the best available quality and features wise. Unfortunately they didn't release Wayland drivers yet, which complicates things for gaming in the future.
30.07.2013 @ 18:20 #97
Agreed. AMD, Linux, and stable -- I have to bite my tongue when I see those in the same sentence. I gave up on the hassles of keeping AMD proprietary drivers working with Linux and use nVidia or (ugh) Intel on platforms where I need a native Linux desktop.
With Wayland, the nouveau and radeon drivers are pretty much the only game in town until nVidia and AMD get their acts together. As with other things Linux, they may not see it as a sufficient market unless given strong encouragement.
30.07.2013 @ 18:31 #98
Situation with Intel is improving. For regular desktop usage their newer integrated GPUs already support needed compositing very nicely in open source drivers (and Intel does release them as open source). Not sure about gaming yet, since their Iris chips aren't freely available yet.