[Sirnaq]

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Skyrim was generic.

Damn straight it was, if you can make game like skyrim and make it not generic i would be very impressed.
Also mentioned fallout new vegas. Good vid.
Also cdpr, please play risen or gothic 2, way better open world games than skyrim.

[vivaxardas]

Risen is a mediocre game on PC, both story-wise and gameplay-wise, and a complete trash on xbox 360. Gothic 2 is a masterpiece, but it is not a Skyrim-type open world game. It has 4 separate locations, three of them rather big and really well-crafted, but you access them only after a main quest progression. Also Gothic 2 has a chapter structure. You couldn't go in any direction like in Skyrim, you have to go straight to Khorinis, and practically all side quests start there. In essence, Gothic 2 is exactly like TW2 only locations are larger. I would be happy if TW3 were like Gothic 2 in structure, but it is not. As I understand it will be like Skyrim - a single huge territory, no chapters, with a possibility to go in any direction. I really hope TW3 would rock, but right now hope is all I have, I can't really believe it.

[Sirnaq]

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Risen is a mediocre game on PC

Well, yeah that's your opinion, by my experience it was pretty good game and xbox port is irrelevant. As to open world, cdpr said themselves that each region in tw3 gonna have each own story and events, so it's not exactly like skyrim where everything was frozen in time except few quests.

[arkblazer]

I hope they do the world like in new vegas. See in NV wghile in theory you could go anywhere, over powered monsters alway limited you path and made you to a certain direction. Maybe they can implement something like that. like in the first half of the game geral is mostly heading south because other paths are are blocked by overwhelming number of enemies. Like for example a large nilfgardian army.

[Maerd]

I haven't played Risen because I gave up on Gothic series long time ago, so I cannot tell if it's good or not, however, Gothic 2 was a good game but no more than that. One of the things why Gothic 2 sucked were its dialogs, which were actually monologues, which didn't have any branching, you needed to select every line to progress, it was not even necessary to read them. It felt good only because since CRPG boom of 1997-2001 there were no excellent CRPGs till the witcher 1. The only good game I thoroughly enjoyed as RPG in between 2001 and 2007 was Exile 3 (which became unplayable when they turned it into Avernum 3 where isometric perspective were badly implemented). Exile 3 is an open world and it's a very well done huge open world game and more enjoyable than Gothic 2 despite Gothic's superior graphics. It's a party oriented and simplistic game though, but I don't want TW3 be like Exile 3, may be, just borrow a few ideas.

[King Harvey]

I was super excited when CDPR announced TW3. Since I've played the first two parts I compiled a wishlist for the next title. And like it was magic being involved they heard me. Every new feature they announced, every game mechanic redesign they will be undertaking, every piece of art they released, matched exactly what was on my wish list and before my inner eyes. I still regard TW1 the best RPG I have ever played, superior even to the very excellent second part, and I am very well aware of the dangers and obstacles that come with designing and developing a real open world game, especially an open world RPG. I know how hard it is to create a truly believable world with rich characters, a captivating story and combining this with an open ended world- and quest design.

But I am very faithful and confident that the masters at CDPR are succeeding to this very task. They have the talent and the commitment to do this kind of game. And I am very sure that The Witcher 3 will deliver. It has the potential to become one of the most influential games of its kind.

This being said, I have to admit though, that with the screenshots released so far, I am not overly too happy. I consider the art style of the first part best. A more realistic color design and architecture, but again hopes are high that they will adjust their renderer in time so that the game will distinguish itself in terms of graphical fidelity and style from the second part.

Kudos to the whole team at CDPR. I wish you the very best. />

[Costin Moroianu]

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Skyrim was generic.

Thank God they saw this.

[gab961111]

Two worlds series as well. I know everyone's gonna hate me for saying this but it think its good games.

[slimgrin]

I'm of the opinion that Bethesda has been resting on their laurels for a while now, and CDPR calling Skyrim generic is a fair criticism. I'm glad they can glean from the game's strong points but recognize how utterly bland Beth's games can be in spots.

[King Harvey]

I think stating that TW3 will be 20% bigger than Skyrim is a clever move by CDPR.

Skyrim currently is the most succesfull single player RPG on the market and many regard this title a great achievement in RPG gaming. Therefore Bethesda must have done quite a few things right with this game.

The imputation that the world in Skyrim is generic is of course true. But let me make a point here: On the one hand this was also the case with Oblivion and why make a change of design when its succesful the first time around and on the other hand the technical limitations of the current generation of consoles do not allow for a more handcrafted rendering of such a huge open world. What I'm saying is that Bethsoft is totally pleased with creating worlds in a more generic way and so are a lot of gamers. Secondly they designed Oblivion and Skyrim for the current generation of consoles and are well aware of its limitations.

This being said, I think that CDPR could have chosen not a better "rival" to compete with. This contest rises a lot of stir on the market, encourages the developers to perform even stronger and because they equally are well aware of both Skyrims strengths and its weaknesses this ulimately amounts to TW3 becoming a much better game. My opinion.

[Costin Moroianu]

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Therefore Bethesda must have done quite a few things right with this game.

A 60 million marketing campaign along with the strong brand loyalty of the Elder Scrolls series and you wonder why it sold so well? It certainly wasn't on the quality of the game. The only thing really impressive there are landscapes but that's something you find in many other open world games.

Oblivion did well because it came out on the 360 in a period when there were very few games out on the system.

[Gilrond]

King Harvey said:

Skyrim currently is the most succesfull single player RPG on the market and many regard this title a great achievement in RPG gaming.

Many disagree on the RP part of the RPg there. It's a good 3D "shooter" game in the fantasy settings, but it's weak on the roleplaying part, even in comparison to earlier Bethesda's titles. So I won't call it a good RPG. That said, open world in general has its appeal to roleplaying as well, and if CDPR can skillfully combine the best of these ideas - deep story, serious RP and the open world - they'll create a real masterpiece.

[vivaxardas]

Well, it seems now it is considered to be a virtue to trash Skyrim. But millions of people spent countless hours playing it, so Bethesda is doing something right. The world of Skyrim is beautiful, full of content, and ripe for exploration. It is a world to live a second life in. So, what do you guys mean be "generic"? People use it pejoratively, repeating it again and again, but what do you understand by it? Generic aspirin is aspirin that is not a brand name aspirin. Skyrim is definitely a brand Bethesda world. So what a hell is so generic about it?

And let's be honest here, locations in TW2 are five houses and six trees, where you run the same path again and again. For me chapters were just long enough not to get sick of the location, nothing else. It is just a web of narrow passages with some wider areas, where nobody can even jump over a log without a scripted prompt. So, is it really so easy after this theatrical stage kind of world to jump to an open world and claim it would be better then Skyrim? Please, don't over-hype it, like people used to over-hype Gothic 3 and other games, and then coated it in shit with no other reason but unmet expectations, posted crappy reviews on forums, and harmed sales. Hopefully I'll get a pleasant surprise if TW3 turns out great, but I prefer to have very modest expectations.

[Costin Moroianu]

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Well, it seems now it is considered to be a virtue to trash Skyrim.

I've been trashing Skyrim since 2011 as have others. As for the richness of the locations, oh sure ignoring the copy pasted nature of so many locations so don't throw me this trash that somehow Skyrim is such a great world to explore. It's a very dull, repetitive and boring world to go through. Are there moments? Absolutely, but so does DA2 have it's moments but would anyone argue that DA2 is a bad game besides the fanboys and fangirls?

[vivaxardas]

Well, the vocal minority trashes Skyrim, and majority praises. If it is a matter of voting who is right, minority looses. I really do not like any GTA game, any Halo game, and any sport sim, I find them exceptionally boring, but it does not mean that all of them are trash. Also I found it a bad policy to root for some game by trashing its competitors. Let's just wait for trailers, gameplay videos, and such, ok?
I find it funny how many believe that TW3 will be a masterpiece only because it is made by CDPR, and judging by the last year situation on the market, with very vocal fans trashing perfectly decent games, I worry about that CDPG try to bite more then they can chew, and that all over-hype somewhat promoted by them, will harm TW3 after release.

[Costin Moroianu]

If you want to talk about voting then the GOTY would not be Skyrim but Call of Duty, every year and it wouldn't deserve it in any way because most CoD games are crap.

My views on Skyrim have absolutely nothing to do with how much I like CDPR. I find it a pretty awful game and I am not trashing it on some ridiculous notion that I am rooting for CDPR because I trash it since I consider it an over hyped, glorified piece of garbage. In fact as I've been very vocal about it on these forums I've been worried about open world since they announced it.

To me it very much strikes me as them trying to jump on the bandwagon that Elder Scrolls has created and I think that's a bad idea.

EDIT: I did very much enjoy Fallout 3 personally, I consider that one miles ahead of Skyrim in terms of main story and other aspects.

[vivaxardas]

Oh, I absolutely agree with you. They shouldn't chase Skyrim's fame, but follow their own path and capitalize their strength - a terrific, complex and mature story comes first, and the game world follows it. Here it is a case when a size does not matter as long as it is large enough to accommodate all main and side quests, plus some other activities.

If they want to be better then Skyrim, then they should not listen to fans who believe Skyrim was a piece of trash. It is very easy to be better then a piece of trash - just make a mediocre game, and you are done. But just this category of gamers would be not enough for a good profit. In order to be better then Skyrim they will have to please, and to win over hearts and minds of people who believe that Skyrim is terrific. These gamers will have to admit that even though Skyrim was the perfect RPG in 2012, TW3 is even better. And to do this they better not to trash Skyrim - it is a purely psychological point. I would hate, and feel animosity to any upcoming game if its promoters trash the game I admire. You won't win over fans telling that their favorite game is a generic crap.

[Costin Moroianu]

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If they want to be better then Skyrim, then they should not listen to fans who believe Skyrim was a piece of trash

Oh so they should not listen to those who have legitimate complaints about the game and instead listen to those who consider the best game "EVAH"?

Right that's a wise mentality. Excuse me if I don't share it.

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You won't win over fans telling that their favorite game is a generic crap.

Instead you will win over those who feel it was a let down, which there were quite a few of.

[dragonbird]

vivaxardas said:

Well, the vocal minority trashes Skyrim, and majority praises. If it is a matter of voting who is right, minority looses. I really do not like any GTA game, any Halo game, and any sport sim, I find them exceptionally boring, but it does not mean that all of them are trash. Also I found it a bad policy to root for some game by trashing its competitors. Let's just wait for trailers, gameplay videos, and such, ok?
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I partially agree with your views on this, in that I agree that it's wrong to say "I hate Game X therefore Game X is trash". Yes, some games ARE just trash, but in most cases it just means that the game isn't to your personal taste.

But regarding the views on Skyrim expressed in this forum (and, earlier, the views on DA2), a large part of it is simply that the views of the forum members don't necessarily reflect the gaming world overall, nor should they. This is a subset - "People who like The Witcher Games". So yes, there are probably more people here who dislike Skyrim than in other forums, more people who prefer OTS view to first-person, more people who prefer story-driven to free-form, more people who prefer single-player to multi-player. It isn't because they feel a need to support CDPR, it's because that preference brought them here in the first place.

And yes, that naturally also leads to some concern (and occasional over-reaction) when we hear something that makes us wonder whether TW3 will follow those preferences. Given the limited amount of information available, the trust we have in CDPR does become important.

And negative feedback is just as important as positive feedback. Only listening to fanboys doesn't help any developer.

[Sirnaq]

Gilrond said:

Many disagree on the RP part of the RPg there. It's a good 3D "shooter" game in the fantasy settings, but it's weak on the roleplaying part, even in comparison to earlier Bethesda's titles. So I won't call it a good RPG. That said, open world in general has its appeal to roleplaying as well, and if CDPR can skillfully combine the best of these ideas - deep story, serious RP and the open world - they'll create a real masterpiece. ›››

Hey, now now don't insult shooters, skyrim is sandbox game just like mine craft. If you mod it to hell it's worth playing for some screenshots, your 3d girlfriend, and maaaaybe some dark bro quests that are only kinda interesting quests in the game. As it comes to characters from skyrim, let's name 5 of them. Heimskr, Cicero and uh...