[Wichat]

Kallelinski said:

Also i always wondered why we can already see the other witchers in the distance, when Geralt just felt down a second ago in TW1.

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I always assumed that it was because of Geralt's shoutings, and because the Wtichers' Medalions must been madly activated by the magic shock when Geralt's changing of plane...

[sfinxCZ]

Kallelinski said:

Noo, (Lady of the Lake Spoiler)

Ciri finally realised that it was not only fear gripping her throat. The sorcerer magically
throttled and strangled her. He mocked her and humiliated her, before the eyes of his
followers.
‘Free... Yennefer,’ she managed to get out, coughing with the effort. ‘Free her... And you
can do whatever you want with me.’
Bonhart burst out laughing, Stefan Skellen also started to laugh dryly. Vilgefortz poke at
the corner of his macabre eye with his little finger.
‘You cannot be so foolish as to think that, and so you will do what I want. Your offer is
pathetic, so pathetic and ridiculous.’
‘You need me...’ she lifted her head, though it cost her a lot of strength. ‘To have a child
with me. Everybody wants that, you do too. Yes, I am in your power, I came here on my
own... You did not catch me, though you chased me halfway around the world. I came here
on my own and I give myself to you. For Yennefer. For her life. Does this seem ridiculous?
Then try to take me by force, take me the hard way... You’ll see how fast you lose the urge to
laugh.’

After reading this again, i would also go along with the theory now that she offered herself for Geralt, if she would do that for her mother, why not her father?

She is just as stubborn as Yennefer and Geralt are.. ›››

Just reading that (today) ...to late and my memory is bad thing..
- I didn't mean that like her unwillingness to sacrifice herself for him, but Wild hunt is resolved for once for me (just problem with Ciri's baby, not whole hunt thing) - I repeat - she didn't do anything, when Yen was kidnapped. I don't see problem with her help to fight them, kill them, but not spread legs for them again, I just don't like this idea...maybe there is no true reason, but I don't like repeating same idea - like 3rd Nilfgaard war.

PS: can you give me address for eng version of Witcher saga (if you have that), thanks

[Kallelinski]

Wichat said:

I always assumed that it was because of Geralt's shoutings, and because the Wtichers' Medalions must been madly activated by the magic shock when Geralt's changing of plane... ›››

They were rather quick finding him then.

sfinxCZ said:

Just reading that (today) ...to late and my memory is bad thing..
- I didn't mean that like her unwillingness to sacrifice herself for him, but Wild hunt is resolved for once for me (just problem with Ciri's baby, not whole hunt thing) - I repeat - she didn't do anything, when Yen was kidnapped. I don't see problem with her help to fight them, kill them, but not spread legs for them again, I just don't like this idea...maybe there is no true reason, but I don't like repeating same idea - like 3rd Nilfgaard war.

PS: can you give me address for eng version of Witcher saga (if you have that), thanks ›››

I warned you it is a "Lady of the Lake" spoiler

Well, she is as stubborn as Geralt/Yennefer and willing to do anything for them just like they would do, even though she should know better.


http://en.thewitcher...n-translations/

[arkblazer]

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But was that anti-human fraction really the majority of the Aen Seidhe and not of the Aen Elle? Of course the Aen Seidhe didn't like how they were treated by the humans by getting pushed back, but a significant number, especially female elves were quite fond of male humans and vice versa, actually tried to live with the humans.

Lara, an Aen Seidhe, preferred a human, also a sorcerer, to her own kind respectively the Aen Elle.

Did anyone from the Aen Elle said that they have still contact with the Aen Seidhe? Like cooperating? I can't remember anything in this matter.

I actually didn't really like all that space/time travel stuff, especially because Sapkowski didn't explain much about the whole stuff...

actually both males and female elf did, it was more exciting and fetishistic to them like, a older man or woman having sex with younger person. but it still seemed frowned upon if, im not mistaken lara was exiled or turned into a pariah by the elves. even if thats not the case all that changed when the humans invaded them. for all we know thats the reason the other elves slaughered all those humans, they were scared they would do the same.


and you are forgetting there is a person that has contact with the aen elle and aen seidhe, Avallach himself. im pretty sure that he was from the witcher dimension and knew with lara, or at the very least knew very well the history of the elves of the witcher dimension and cared enough to safekeep their art and history.

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Precisely, her people. She didn't even care for the Scoia'tael or let's say it was an necessary evil to sacrifice them to get an own kingdom, so why should she care for elves from another universe then?

Even if the Aen Elle invade the Witcher world, she is an elf, so i don't think she worries much about that. She has her own kingdom right now, could be worse

Did she mention a reason why she rescued Yennefer?
Maybe she thought Yennefer would help to get Ciri into the lodge, but as we know Yennefer isn't quite fond of them and i would assume that Ciri will do what Yennefer tells her, so it was actually a dumb plan, if it was a plan, because it caused the opposite. Instead of getting Ciri into the lodge, they forced her out due Yennefer's personality, which also had some effects on Ciri, like mother, like daughter.
Ciri even reminds me of Yennefer in that last dialogue with Galahad, she is quite commanding towards Galahad just like Yennefer towards Geralt

She never did give a reason. but when they talked it did show that they knew each other. its fact that yen is a quarter elf so its possible there is a relation, like she might have know her elven grandparent.

about ciri, if she is imprisoned, then it would by by elves that know more about her powers than she did, so its not too farfetch to consider that they wold have counter measures. even if they dont they could intimidatwe her by telling her that they would go after her loved ones.

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Yeah, still much speculation. You could be right that it takes some minutes until the amnesia kicks in and the stormy night, hmm, yeah, that would fit.

Also i always wondered why we can already see the other witchers in the distance, when Geralt just felt down a second ago in TW1.

yeah i always though that maybe they were helping ciri get geralt, wouldnt be surprised if the same thing happened to ciri that it did to geralt.

[sfinxCZ]

Kallelinski said:

I warned you it is a "Lady of the Lake" spoiler

No problem - here was Lady of the lake released in 2000 so it's been some time, but there are not any big spoilers for me. I am grateful for your quotation.

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Well, she is as stubborn as Geralt/Yennefer and willing to do anything for them just like they would do, even though she should know better.

Well - that is true
So just second 'reason' remaines - I don't like this idea but I like Wild hunt idea

Thank you for eng vesion.

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about ciri, if she is imprisoned, then it would by by elves that know more about her powers than she did, so its not too farfetch to consider that they wold have counter measures. even if they dont they could intimidatwe her by telling her that they would go after her loved ones.

Hope there will be unicorns again ;-)

[Wichat]

Kallelinski said:

They were rather quick finding him then.
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Why? There's a very close liaison between the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, and we can easy assume that Geralt were running during a while. I've never seen anything suspicious in that subject. On the contrary, Geralt belongs to Kaer Morhen, it is not only a home or a School for him and Vesemir.

[Kallelinski]

arkblazer said:

actually both males and female elf did, it was more exciting and fetishistic to them like, a older man or woman having sex with younger person. but it still seemed frowned upon if, im not mistaken lara was exiled or turned into a pariah by the elves. even if thats not the case all that changed when the humans invaded them. for all we know thats the reason the other elves slaughered all those humans, they were scared they would do the same.


and you are forgetting there is a person that has contact with the aen elle and aen seidhe, Avallach himself. im pretty sure that he was from the witcher dimension and knew with lara, or at the very least knew very well the history of the elves of the witcher dimension and cared enough to safekeep their art and history.

Sure, but Avallach is an Aen Elle, can we really trust him in what he says? He was the one who should marry Lara after all and he was pissed, really. And i meant contact like two nations, political contact and not just in person, like a meeting between both leaders just like the kings & queen of the humans did.

Also the Aen Elle always sought confrontation, while the Aen Seidhe withdrew from the inland to the mountains and whenever an Aen Seidhe is mentioned, it didn't give me the feeling that they were aggressive anymore, they just want to defend what is left over for them, while the Aen Elle always seemed to be aggressive and arrogant against humans.

arkblazer said:

She never did give a reason. but when they talked it did show that they knew each other. its fact that yen is a quarter elf so its possible there is a relation, like she might have know her elven grandparent.

about ciri, if she is imprisoned, then it would by by elves that know more about her powers than she did, so its not too farfetch to consider that they wold have counter measures. even if they dont they could intimidatwe her by telling her that they would go after her loved ones.

Yen is >90 years old and was already member of the Brotherhood of Sorcerers. The lodge was originally founded to put magical matters above everything else, maybe she thought someone like Yennefer was essential for the lodge, precisely because of her past even though she can influence Ciri. So i thought Francesca cares more for the lodge/sorcerers stuff than elves from outer space.


Well, Ciri escaped already once from the castle, if she really freed Geralt and is now back as the artwork indicates, she must found a way to escape.

arkblazer said:

yeah i always though that maybe they were helping ciri get geralt, wouldnt be surprised if the same thing happened to ciri that it did to geralt. ›››

Hmm, but nobody mentioned Ciri, afaik they just say they found him in the woods.

sfinxCZ said:

Well - that is true
So just second 'reason' remaines - I don't like this idea but I like Wild hunt idea

Yeah, i also didn't like the idea of Ciri being

an incubator,

i hope they won't focus on that story element too much.

sfinxCZ said:

Hope there will be unicorns again ;-) ›››

But we need virgins to lure them out, i don't think Geralt knows one *ahem*

Wichat said:

Why? There's a very close liaison between the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, and we can easy assume that Geralt were running during a while. I've never seen anything suspicious in that subject. On the contrary, Geralt belongs to Kaer Morhen, it is not only a home or a School for him and Vesemir. ›››

Fair enough, but why was he running? As i said, if i had amnesia, i would look for help, but i don't see any reason in running, in particular he runs until he falls down from exhaustion.

So if the amnesia only takes effect after 1-5 minutes and he falls into unconsciousness because of that, i would say that the others witchers were rather quick finding him in 5 minutes, don't you think?

It was also quite convenient to be so near Kaer Morhen, Yennefer was freed in Nilfgaard, how comes that Geralt is near Kaer Morhen, even though he was with the Wild Hunt, which always goes south?

Maybe Ciri freed and port him near Kaer Morhen, so the others witchers could find him easily, while she went underground again or really exchanged herself for him.

[Wichat]

Kallelinski said:

Fair enough, but why was he running? As i said, if i had amnesia, i would look for help, but i don't see any reason in running, in particular he runs until he falls down from exhaustion.

So if the amnesia only takes effect after 1-5 minutes and he falls into unconsciousness because of that, i would say that the others witchers were rather quick finding him in 5 minutes, don't you think?

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Why does he run? Well, to me it 's very clear , if suddenly someone finds oneself lost in the middel of a forest without remember how he gets there, with a painful body with multiple injuries which he cannot remember who has inflicted them, with a desperate sense of danger more magic than physic chasing him, perhaps wouldn't he run desperate to the place where his instinct recognized it as familiar and protector? Shouldn't his Medallion connecting with the other Witchers's Medallions?

5 minutes? why not 10 or 20? A traumatic shock has no a standard time of duration, it maybe takes one minute or 48 hours... And We easy assume that Geralt falls near Kaer Morhen... at least in surroundings just because Geralt profite the chance to be near there when he was with the WH and escape, only to ensure his flight.

[Kallelinski]

>with a painful body with multiple injuries
Running like a mad man would only hurt your body even more with those injuries.

>with a desperate sense of danger more magic than physic chasing him
Yeah, but what should even chase him? If he is freed by Ciri, the Wild Hunt would try to follow her not him any more, if Ciri exchanged herself for him, he wouldn't be followed anyway, because the Wild Hunt has what they sought and he is free to go just like Yennefer. Also he meets the king of the Wild Hunt several times and apparently Geralt isn't much of a target anymore by the Wild Hunt, how come? Did they already found what they sought and they don't need Geralt anymore?

Also there was apparently no danger, because the witchers found him and no foe was around, they also don't mention another danger . I don't think a wounded Geralt could outrun space elves on space horses ^^

>Shouldn't his Medallion connecting with the other Witchers's Medallions?
That's interesting, because it seems to me that he isn't wearing it in the intro of TW1, you can't see a chain around his neck, but he does wear it in TW2, but in TW2 it is a dream.

>5 minutes? why not 10 or 20? A traumatic shock has no a standard time of duration, it maybe takes one minute or 48 hours...
The amnesia is inflicted by the Wild Hunt, maybe even caused by the king himself, it is not just a side effect of the horrible event. We could even assume that the king does it intentionally to prevent an investigation of the Wild Hunt, the whole amnesia thing is also responsible that nobody really knows what the Wild Hunt is.

If it takes up to 48 hours to trigger the amnesia, we would know much more about the Wild Hunt, just because much more people could just tell what happened, but apparently nobody can, because they have always amnesia or even paranoia just right after they encounter the Wild Hunt.

>at least in surroundings just because Geralt profite the chance to be near there when he was with the WH and escape, only to ensure his flight.
Just saying it was quite convenient.

[Wichat]

Ciri? who name her in this story?

CDPR say us in the dialogue between Geralt and Triss in prologue that the dream has come again, he running from a danger... and the image which CDPR ilustrated this dream is the run of Geralt in prologue of TW1 so... where's is Ciri here?


Oh, BTW, isn't it convenient that Geralt found Ciri in the forest of Brokilon? , Fate, my dear friend, Fate...

[Kallelinski]

Yeah, but what danger? If the Wild Hunt doesn't want him anymore as it is implied in TW1, what is the danger then?

Sometimes you can "help" fate a little bit.

Anyway, we are deviating from the topic


Ciri. I go with the theory that Ciri actually helped him in one way or another and i'm very happy that CDPR will even show more characters from the books.

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Kallelinski said:

Yeah, but what danger? If the Wild Hunt doesn't want him anymore as it is implied in TW1, what is the danger then? ›››

Wait a second, the King of the Wild Hunt hounds Geralt throughout TW. Obviously he wanted him for something.

[Guy N'wah]

cmdr_flashheart said:

Wait a second, the King of the Wild Hunt hounds Geralt throughout TW. Obviously he wanted him for something. ›››

I don't think he wants to take Geralt back; more likely he wants Geralt to do his bidding. So he gives him a good scare to remember him by, drives him to a safe place where his friends will find him, and lets him go.

Some get the impression that the King of the Wild Hunt is a liar and a fool. I don't think so. I think he's ploughing Geralt just as Emhyr ploughed the Scoia'tael of Dol Blathanna.

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Guy N said:

I don't think he wants to take Geralt back; more likely he wants Geralt to do his bidding. So he gives him a good scare to remember him by, drives him to a safe place where his friends will find him, and lets him go. ›››

Well, he's still in danger though isn't he, if something keeps following and threatening him. I think the fact that the KotWH wants to kill Geralt at certain points means he still wants Geralt's soul.

[Kallelinski]

Considering that the Wild Hunt specifically captured Yennefer, travelled through the whole continent, fought with Geralt, exchanged him for her and spent 2 (i believe) years with Geralt, the king doesn't seem to be eager to capture him again IMO, so i ask myself, why? What changed that he doesn't need him anymore to that extent?
Did he already achieved his goal, Ciri?

We assume that the king needs either Yennefer or Geralt to lure Ciri out of her hideout, so if he doesn't really need them anymore.. hm.

[cmdr_silverbolt]

I think it was five years. Also, don't you think that if the KotWH wants to fight Geralt to death then he wants his soul? I know I am putting emphasis on a game mechanic, but it seems to fit with the story.

If it was the case that Ciri exchanged herself for Geralt, then maybe the Tower of the Swallow story happens then; this is an adaptation after all, so we can expect events to occur unlike the book events.

[Kallelinski]

Yeah, that's something i don't really get, if Geralt is suppose to be the bait, why does the king want him dead now or just his soul?

If he really just need the soul, why did he kept Yennefer alive, why did he kept him alive, when Geralt was already part of the Wild Hunt? And now he just wants his soul?

Afaik Geralt has not such an importance like Jacques de Aldersberg, he is just necessary to capture Ciri as it seems.


I also watched the prologue again, apparently Lambert even says that a storm rised and the Wild Hunt appeared, Triss suggested to chase it and then they found Geralt.

http://youtu.be/ZzSXrBv-sg8?t=1m20s

So Geralt fled from the Wild Hunt that's for sure, but the question remains how did he do that after all that time without any help, oh well, maybe i am just interpretating too much into those scenes

Edit: So if Geralt escaped on his own, they made quite a secret of that, why not just say that he escaped the Wild Hunt. But i like the idea that Ciri helped ^^

This post has been edited by Kallelinski: 15.03.2013 @ 00:47

[cmdr_silverbolt]

I imagine that when people are with the Hunt, they're kind of like zombies with souls- they do the King's bidding, but if they escape, like Geralt and Yen have done so, their bodies become alive again and they regain control over soul/conscience.

So it's not that Yen was kept alive, but that she regained life after being released, and so did Geralt. And it makes sense if Geralt was being chased because the King thought he was a valuable soldier or a lure to capture Ciri.

It's a good question though, how did Geralt really escape. I guess we'll find out in in a year or so

[Kallelinski]

But i still wonder why the King doesn't use the whole horde to capture him, if he is that important. Anyway, we will be smarter in a couple of months with a real trailer or such.

[Wichat]

Kallelinski said:

But i still wonder why the King doesn't use the whole horde to capture him, if he is that important. Anyway, we will be smarter in a couple of months with a real trailer or such. ›››

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