[the Fixer]

Is it just me or in the last days the general feel of respect, politeness and common exchange I used to like about this forum is getting a bit overwhelmed by some new (and less new) members' "enthusiasm"? There's quite a bit of hostility over in General Discussion that wasn't so frequent before the recent events.

I always loved the civil and adult atmosphere I could find in this place, and the fact that this is a videogame forum striked me as unbelievable at times. So I wanted to thank everyone who made and kept it this way and encourage everyone else to do the same. We will all gain from it, thanks />

[dragonbird]

It's something that people are passionate about, and that comes out in their posts. Arguments happen in even the most loving of families

But if you see anything that you think goes too far, you're welcome to use the Report button to bring it to the mods attention.

[Bloth]

I've always been a degenerate and i'll never stop.

[Corylea]

This happened when a flood of new people came in after the announcement of TW2, too. This forum IS more polite than most places, so it takes awhile for newcomers to adapt. And the moderators have trouble keeping up when there are three new posts every second; we're only human and can't be everywhere. So we put out the worst fires and hope the others will burn themselves out.

Keep setting a good example, and with luck, the new folks will settle down.

The problem I have, as a moderator, is when a new forum member is hostile and impolite but not quite enough to be a violation of the rules. Then the person drags down the tone of the forum, yet I don't feel able to do anything official about it. In that case, it's best when non-moderator members tell the person to tone it down.

Use your peer pressure.

[cmdr_silverbolt]

You're being overly sensitive- it's hard to discern impoliteness or civility in text form. Most people write in the same manner as they talk IRL, and impassioned talkers can come off harsh over text when they're not necessarily being dicks. But I'd rather people toe that line of incivility, than mince words and not say anything meaningful.

[Corylea]

cmdr_flashheart said:

You're being overly sensitive- it's hard to discern impoliteness or civility in text form. Most people write in the same manner as they talk IRL, and impassioned talkers can come off harsh over text when they're not necessarily being dicks. But I'd rather people toe that line of incivility, than mince words and not say anything meaningful. ›››

You haven't been here very long, so I think your opinion might be a bit premature.

Fixer IS talking about something real. We manage to have passionate discussions here all the time, without one member telling another that he's "fucking clueless" or one member telling the others that if they can't afford to upgrade their operating systems, they shouldn't be allowed to play games. There really HAS been a decrease in civility in the past 2 - 3 days, not just an increase in passion.

I'm thrilled to see passion. But I'm also passionate about politeness.

[Wichat]

Corylea. I cannot click to + button so here you have my

[cmdr_silverbolt]

Okay, fine. But, you can't fault a person for writing harsh words after reading the umpteenth comment about how much TW3 is going to suck because it will be open world. Maybe I chose the wrong time to join the forum, but I am astounded by the narcissistic and unreasonable attitudes of the posters.

We can't reasonably conclude anything about how TW3 is going to end up, we have no grounds for saying that the dev team is being over ambitious, we cannot slander an author based on the words of an internet whore trying to ride to famedom on the coattails of the witcher series. All 21st century High fantasy works borrow from Tolkien, so if anyone is "plagiarizing" anyone, then everyone who came after Tolkien is doing that. It's unreasonable to call these works rip-offs.

Anyways, I've seen one of those comments, and I think you moderated that quite well. Keep doing what you're doing, and things will normalize here sooner or later.

[.Volsung.]

I noticed we have a whole wave of new members, or at least active members. Maybe some of them bring their insults and impoliteness from other forums. They'll learn, give them time. CDPR just announced the third Witcher and everyone is drunk on excitement.

If they don't learn to behave, sooner or later they will either get bored, shunned or banned. In a way, the charm of this community is that it is self-moderated. We just like to hang out and have fun.

And we are all degenerates. Nice, laid-back degenerates.

[Veleda]

I'm pretty much going to avoid General, and maybe the forum entirely, for now. The announcement has me very pleased and it's no fun having the high brought down by all the angst.

[▫ Dona ▫]

cmdr_flashheart said:

Okay, fine. But, you can't fault a person for writing harsh words after reading the umpteenth comment about how much TW3 is going to suck because it will be open world. Maybe I chose the wrong time to join the forum, but I am astounded by the narcissistic and unreasonable attitudes of the posters.

We don't fault anyone for being passionate, but we encourage everyone to choose what kind of language they use, and yeah, everything will settle down in a bit, when we see who decides to stay and who only came to post a complaint.

Everything you mentioned here, we've seen ten times more. Open world was discussed when Skyrim came out, it was discussed when they announced Cyberpunk being open-world, it was discussed when we heard rumours of TW3 being open-world. And now that it's been confirmed, we're discussing it again. Trust me, I too am tired of it. But everyone is welcome to speak their mind. If you think they are being rude, tell them (in a nice way)... if they are being REALLY rude, use the report button and we'll sort it out.

Once things settle a bit, new members will get used to the flow of the forum. It's just how these things work

[Aver]

You should have seen Cyberpunk 2077 forum when it just launched. Damn, I still have a trauma...

[dragonbird]

Aver said:

You should have seen Cyberpunk 2077 forum when it just launched. Damn, I still have a trauma... ›››

I haven't been in yet today, but last night it was calm, and it has been for a while now. These issues do go away as long as the majority of members are mature. People start to get to know each other better, newcomers learn the culture, it all settles down.

[Glaroug]

In the spirit of the thread title, let me thrumb my lute.The Fixer, I really enjoyed reading your comments with and exchanging my ideas with you with regards to Geralt's appearance and identity.

Bloth, when you posted that picture of Elric this morning, I spewed coffee all over myself. Ahhh laughter makes cleanup much more easier...

Corleya, I love reading you thoughtful and kind posts. Many times have I sent Geralt scouring Vizima searching for Corlyea only to find Shani instead. Your new mod only strengthens that (its quite awesome may I add />/>/>). You, Dragonbird, Guy N'Wah (I know you haven't posted in this thread but your input is gold), Wichat, Aver, so many here have made this given this forum its high standards.

I know I didn't name everyone, but I'm not exactly well acquainted with anyone. I did a lot of reading here before joining and only recently started posting more than once every two months.

You ALL have provided an environment where I can discuss, and ask question without feeling like an idiot.

So if I were to ask, "How do you give a +1 to a comment when the minus says 'positive' and the plus says 'negative'", I know you wouldn't throw me in a cage and charge people money to come look.

EDIT: Maybe someday I will be able to post and edit without that ugly "<</'s" things

[Guy N'wah]

Glaroug said:

EDIT: Maybe someday I will be able to post and edit without that ugly "<</'s" things ›››

Those show up when you edit a post that contains emoticons; I'm sure there's a forum software bug somewhere that causes them. The workaround is to post your edited post and read it; if they show up, edit again. Once you edit again and delete them, they will be gone (until next time).

[vonGraudenz]

It is quite possible to be both passionate and civil at the same time. Swear words certainly do not make any argument more persuasive, nor does one have to stoop to insults to disagree with another poster. A modicum of decorum never hurts, and boorish behaviour always reflects poorly.

[secondchildren]

the Fixer said:

Is it just me or in the last days the general feel of respect, politeness and common exchange I used to like about this forum is getting a bit overwhelmed by some new (and less new) members' "enthusiasm"? There's quite a bit of hostility over in General Discussion that wasn't so frequent before the recent events.

I always loved the civil and adult atmosphere I could find in this place, and the fact that this is a videogame forum striked me as unbelievable at times. So I wanted to thank everyone who made and kept it this way and encourage averyone else to do the same. We will all gain from it, thanks />/>/>/> ›››

Oooohh... but you should see the forum in the very early days, before W2 releasing. I guess Tommy and Corylea too still wear the scars LOL

vonGraudenz said:

It is quite possible to be both passionate and civil at the same time. Swear words certainly do not make any argument more persuasive, nor does one have to stoop to insults to disagree with another poster. A modicum of decorum never hurts, and boorish behaviour always reflects poorly. ›››

I wish, I wish it were all about the swearing.... fact is that some people here can bash you harder without using a dirty word. Trolling is an art.

[*Tommy*]

Yeah I still have a scar or two that`s barely visible . Time was in this forum and not too long ago I might add when swearing was not allowed . Still wish it wasn`t but I deal with it . I mean i`m not against swearing by any means but it doesn`t mean I like to read it that often .

[Costin Moroianu]

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I wish, I wish it were all about the swearing.... fact is that some people here can bash you harder without using a dirty word. Trolling is an art.

Some can utterly demolish you even with a calm voice. It's remarkable really to me ( and I say this as someone who likes to bash the arguments of others into oblivion ).

One thing that is annoying in this entire situation is how people makes threads about topics in other threads on the same forum page, threads that are pretty short as well!

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You should have seen Cyberpunk 2077 forum when it just launched. Damn, I still have a trauma...

"Shudders"

[slimgrin]

I can't seem to remember this time of peace and love that reigned in the 'old' forums. I guess I like things as they are, where people can say whatever the effin' %%##@!! hell they want. (well mostly)