[TwistedBiscuit]

I just don't see it. Can someone give me a reason as to WHY Geralt would even consider siding with Iorveth? Even if he isn't fond of Roche, he still just let him out of prison and kind of owes him while all Iorveth did was attack him. :/

[M4xw0lf]

Iorveth can lead him to the kingslayer, just like Roche. Plus, Geralt's old buddy Zoltan is of course on the side of the nonhumans - and Geralt usually is on the side of the oppressed, too.

[Merode]

Yes, but in the books he sees Scoia'tael more like thugs rather than freedom fighters. Well, in fact they are thugs. In books - this wouldn't have happened in my opinion.

[Wazhai]

If you look in the right forum section you'd find plenty of threads on this subject. This one in particular is magnificent: http://en.thewitcher...rveth-or-roche/

[pomor]

Merode said:

Yes, but in the books he sees Scoia'tael more like thugs rather than freedom fighters. Well, in fact they are thugs. In books - this wouldn't have happened in my opinion. ›››

Thats may be, but Geralt agreeing to take part in a town leader's assassination is also improbable.
It is not as if Geralt actually joined Scoia'tael, if they wanted him to slaughter some villagers, or anything like that, he'd refused, maybe even he would turn against them.

[Gibb_Geralt]

Simple really. Iorveth is going to Triss's last known location, while Roche was headed to Henselt's camp. If Geralt wished to trail Triss immediately, he'd go with Iorveth.

[FoggyFishburne]

That's funny. I've played both Paths and I cannot for all the poop jokes in the world understand why anyone would pick Roche's path as part of their canon story.

I've already written a lengthy post on why I chose Iorveths path, in a previous thread. Short synopsis: I'm not a selfish cunt. Roche is in it for himself. His goal is simply to catch the kingslayer. For his country. To ease his guilt. Irrelevant, he's not interested in anyone but himself. I'm not like that. I sympathize with others and their plight. Having a problem doesn't dissolve the world from the shit it's in. I still have to have empathy for my fellow men. Iorveth isn't selfish.

On that note, how can you, while on Roche's path, not just break into tears when you're talking to Zoltan. He's just so crushed and depressed, being at the Kaedweni camp. Is that the world you're fighting for? Temeria isn't all that different when it comes to the treatment of non-humans. And here you are, following a Temerian captain, to restore a country that will do nothing but add to the persecution of anyone who isn't a human.

Well anyways, it's always interesting to see how people were thinking when making that choice. I'm intrigued by the fact that people genuinely feel a certain loyalty to a character and choose them by instinct. It's also a testimony to how well written the plot is and how well characterized the characters are. Kudos Red.

[Wut the Melon]

As I see it, Geralt's only interest is in finding Triss (and maybe, but I'd say less important, to find Letho). Iorveth is heading straight to Triss' suspected location, whereas Roche wants you to meddle in local politics first. Geralt is one to head straight toward his goals, so I think Iorveth makes slightly more sense as a 'neutral' Witcher, you're not in it to help the Scoia'tael or Vergen, just to find Triss.

I kind of felt guilty when bro of bro's Roche rescued Geralt at the Nilfgaardian camp, though... Actually, both paths are more or less equally viable IMO, even though I suspect the Geralt from the books would have gone straight for Triss without either Roche or Iorveth. In the 2nd? 3rd? book he tries to find Ciri in Nilfgaard and continually refuses all help, even though his chances of reaching her without any help are absolutely nil.

[dragonbird]

Can we try to avoid spoiler threads (especially threads with spoilers in the title) in General Discussion please?

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[KnightofPhoenix]

Reasons one would want to join Iorveth:
- Roche seems too caught up with Loredo
- You identify with the Scoia'Tael or want to save the prisoners from Drakenborg
- Geralt knows that Philippa Eilhart is in Vergen and that she might help him find Triss
- Geralt is intrigued by what Iorveth intends to do in Upper Aedirn (applicable only if you help Iorveth in the rose garden).
- Iorveth had time to know the kingslayer and his ways, and was called a cunning fox by Letho himself.

[dragonbird]

Wut the Melon said:

As I see it, Geralt's only interest is in finding Triss (and maybe, but I'd say less important, to find Letho). Iorveth is heading straight to Triss' suspected location, whereas Roche wants you to meddle in local politics first. Geralt is one to head straight toward his goals, so I think Iorveth makes slightly more sense as a 'neutral' Witcher, you're not in it to help the Scoia'tael or Vergen, just to find Triss.

I kind of felt guilty when bro of bro's Roche rescued Geralt at the Nilfgaardian camp, though... Actually, both paths are more or less equally viable IMO, even though I suspect the Geralt from the books would have gone straight for Triss without either Roche or Iorveth. In the 2nd? 3rd? book he tries to find Ciri in Nilfgaard and continually refuses all help, even though his chances of reaching her without any help are absolutely nil. ›››

I agree with this. And regarding "needing help", Geralt doesn't have fast travel, so he needs a boat. Iorveth and Roche both have access to boats. He isn't necessarily siding with either of them, just hitching a lift, with whatever payment that requires.

[Ward Dragon]

Wut the Melon said:

Geralt is one to head straight toward his goals, so I think Iorveth makes slightly more sense as a 'neutral' Witcher, you're not in it to help the Scoia'tael or Vergen, just to find Triss. ›››

A case could be made for a neutral Geralt to side with Roche as well. Letho has already killed two kings so it makes sense that he'd target Henselt as well. Since Roche is going to Henselt's camp, Geralt might want to go there too to wait for Letho to show up (which sort of happens, although it's Letho's friends who show up instead).

[ZinuX]

Ward Dragon said:

A case could be made for a neutral Geralt to side with Roche as well. Letho has already killed two kings so it makes sense that he'd target Henselt as well. Since Roche is going to Henselt's camp, Geralt might want to go there too to wait for Letho to show up (which sort of happens, although it's Letho's friends who show up instead). ›››

But Geralt is unaware of Roche's destination and Henselt's invasion at that time, Iorveth is IMO a better ally in tracking down Letho as Letho will be using Scoia'tael units in Aedirn to move around. It requires haste, as he also got Triss.

[mastone]

Well haven't read the books myself so I don't know what a book or movie Geralt would or would not do in any type of situation.
My RPG Geralt just didn't like what Roche offered him when he went off to speak with him he also sided with the scoiatael in the first installment ( against the flaming rose).

So basically what I did was the following :
When I went to Letho and the ambush happened I helped Roche, so the town was saved from a lynching party, instead I got a regular party.
When it became time to choose a side indefinitely I choose to help Iorveth and save the elven whores.
I then decided to help Philippa instead of getting to Triss since she had means to break the spell with regards to the dragon/saskia, which was needed to restore order in aerdin.
I killed Letho because I think he would become a liability in the future
Since I didn't kill that bald tiran in Flotsam he kicked out all non humans ( whom as far as I could read the end credits went to Aerdin, where they are safe® since in the last movie it was being torched )
My bet would also be that Nilfgaard would attack the established kingdoms first before they have a chance to regroup, which gives Aerdin the time to prepare for war.

In essence I always choose the lesser evil:
having thrown Iorveth in jail over a lynch mob
killing stennis( since I believe he would betray me, I also didn't like him very much)
helping Philippa so I could help an entire state over my own personal feelings for trish
Killing Letho..not because I wanted to, but because I had a feeling it was needed with regards to the future( I didn't like the idea of a well organised group of Witchers which were send out as mercenaries by their goverment)

[dragonbird]

mastone said:

Well haven't read the books myself so I don't know what a book or movie Geralt would or would not do in any type of situation.
My RPG Geralt just didn't like what Roche offered him when he went off to speak with him he also sided with the scoiatael in the first installment ( against the flaming rose).

So basically what I did was the following :
When I went to Letho and the ambush happened I helped Roche, so the town was saved from a lynching party, instead I got a regular party.
›››

That's interesting. It often seems to be assumed that someone planning to support Iorveth will give him the sword, but I think that if you side with Roche at this point, it becomes really, really easy to justify taking the Iorveth Path afterwards from a story/motive perspective.

Geralt supports his friends, so when forced with the instant decision in the garden, he supports Roche and knocks Iorveth out. But later, he realises that doing this was a betrayal of Zoltan's trust. Zoltan set up the meeting with Iorveth, vouching for Geralt, and now his people think he's a traitor. So he has to put things right by helping Zoltan and the Scoia'tel free Iorveth. Which, of course, leads him into the Iorveth Path.

[mastone]

dragonbird said:

That's interesting. It often seems to be assumed that someone planning to support Iorveth will give him the sword, but I think that if you side with Roche at this point, it becomes really, really easy to justify taking the Iorveth Path afterwards from a story/motive perspective.

Geralt supports his friends, so when forced with the instant decision in the garden, he supports Roche and knocks Iorveth out. But later, he realises that doing this was a betrayal of Zoltan's trust. Zoltan set up the meeting with Iorveth, vouching for Geralt, and now his people think he's a traitor. So he has to put things right by helping Zoltan and the Scoia'tel free Iorveth. Which, of course, leads him into the Iorveth Path. ›››

Well basically it's like this :
Roche saved me from jail, but not without setting a demand against it first( meaning he wasn't helping me out of the kindness off his good heart), he helped Triss to safety.
When I met Iorveth however, he shot arrows at me, when I wanted to meet with him he send the snail creature against me so he wasn't very thrustworthy when I spoke to him but came to understand he has been betrayed and has fought over a hundred years, so I understood his harshpoint later( and having knowledge about scoiataelfrom the witcher 1 from Yaevin).
I went to speak to Roche first, but he wasn't thinking about helping Triss or me, but always seems to focus on Temeria, which imo meant that sooner or later I would be of no use anymore or may even know to much for his liking, so I went to talk to the elves which were anrgy but sounded a bit more reasonable and when I saved the elve whores and Iorveth even gratefull.
I also feel that humans will eventually turn against me and all non humans so it i sbetter to acknowledge you're a freak and fight them then to ignore it and help some snobby king to power who will use me as a lackey