[▫ Dona ▫]

Yeah, of course achievements aren't good statistic unless all players have them (and I'm definitely contributing to the 76% who didn't finish the game... on Steam), but it's an interesting overview. I'm actually surprised they didn't include specific choice achievements.

More people seem to have completed Iorveth's path, and based on discussions I've seen on gaming forums it seems most people picked Iorveth first, which imo wasn't really the intended choice. But then again I skipped the whole marketing campaign and I have no idea if players made up their mind ahead of time.

As for Triss, it's available on both paths and I definitely went after her first. It's just something Geralt would do. It's not my 'canon' choice thanks to meta gaming, but it was my gut choice. I don't think I could choose her over Anais, though :[

[dragonbird]

Costin Moroianu said:

Though having only 24% of people finishing the game...well that's quite low, very low. Though it shouldn't surprise anyone. ›››

The actual numbers are probably a bit higher - there'll be people like me who go offline at Steam as soon as they've finished the download (I have something like 10 hours logged at Steam against the game), and there'll be the people who, for whatever reason, switched to the GoG version after buying (there's probably quite a lot of those, given the number of people who had problems running the Steam version at different times).

[Purpleknight]

I'll probably use a Iorveth save, because it was my first choice in my first playthrough for different reasons:

Trish and Letho. I wanted to catch Letho and I thought in the end Iorveth could have more info about him, plus Letho caught Triss in order to escape. I thought it would be a "two birds with one stone".

Later in more playthroughs I realized that you end up learning more of the Assassins going with Roche, so huge fail for me XD. But nevermind, I would use Iorveth save for the sake of being the first.

Talking about if Iorveth is actually "nicer" than Roche or not, I think that both have sort of the same attitude: With their own mates they are like the Brother, with the rest they are like "I'll probably kill you in no time". Is just the feeling that I have with them always XD

[Costin Moroianu]

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More people seem to have completed Iorveth's path, and based on discussions I've seen on gaming forums it seems most people picked Iorveth first, which imo wasn't really the intended choice. But then again I skipped the whole marketing campaign and I have no idea if players made up their mind ahead of time.

Forums which form a minority anyway of total users.

Yes a minority. When a game sells 2 million copies a forum with maximum of a few thousand users is very small minority.

Personally I'd go by the percentage of people who voted for it in CDPRs own poll and while more people voted Iorveth Roche wasn't THAT far behind.

[guipit]

I'm hoping Roche and Iorveth won't play an important role in the next game. It'd be cool if you were with them in 1 chapter but I'm more interested in what new characters have to offer.

It'd be weird for them to be part of Geralts party. They don't fit with Zoltan,Dandelion and Triss.

but yeah I'd go with my Iorveth save, everything goes to shit with Roche.

[Costin Moroianu]

guipit said:

I'm hoping Roche and Iorveth won't play an important role in the next game. It'd be cool if you were with them in 1 chapter but I'm more interested in what new characters have to offer.

It'd be weird for them to be part of Geralts party. They don't fit with Zoltan,Dandelion and Triss.

but yeah I'd go with my Iorveth save, everything goes to shit with Roche. ›››

I personally hope we never see Dandelion and Zoltan again cause I don't give a damn for either of them nor do I give a damn for Triss.

[Lurtz_Of_Orthanc]

Costin Moroianu said:

I personally hope we never see Dandelion and Zoltan again cause I don't give a damn for either of them nor do I give a damn for Triss. ›››

Harsh! We ought to see them again, but they shouldn't have an immortality clause like in the first 2 games.

[Costin Moroianu]

Well when developers try and shove a character down my throat and expect me to give a shit just because then I will very likely ( though not always ) not give a shit and in fact I will become quite irritated by said character or characters.

And that's really the case with those 3 for me. If they all died I wouldn't care less. As much I loathe Iorveth I'd still care a hell lot more if he died.

[▫ Dona ▫]

Costin Moroianu said:

Forums which form a minority anyway of total users.

Yes a minority. When a game sells 2 million copies a forum with maximum of a few thousand users is very small minority.

Personally I'd go by the percentage of people who voted for it in CDPRs own poll and while more people voted Iorveth Roche wasn't THAT far behind. ›››

Well forums will always be a 'minority' compared to total sales, but unless they ship spy cameras with the game it's that kind of feedback they have to go by. I was talking about the first choice, not favourite choice (a few of mine certainly changed), and people who liked the game enough to come to this forum to discuss the game often played it more than the average gamer (as sad as it sounds; it's one of the very few games I find highly replayable, and yet none of my friends cared about a second run :/)

I'm afraid Roche and Iorveth will go down the path of Yaevinn and Siegfried of being mentioned only in the passing, or having small cameos (side-quest or during some kind of a ~final battle~ or what have you). I'd personally love to see them again, or even simply continue adventuring with them, but I doubt any of this is going to happen.

LOL Costin. They did seem tacked on in TW2. Dandelion could use a VA change, Zoltan is fine, Triss... ehhh, I could do without her clingy self, but they obviously deem her important enough to let her through TW2 unscratched.

[Bloth]

Roche, though it's a bloody close toss up.

[Costin Moroianu]

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Well forums will always be a 'minority' compared to total sales, but unless they ship spy cameras with the game it's that kind of feedback they have to go by.

Well sure but you still have steam achievements to go by and I think they are a much better indicator then forum posts. As you mention very few people replay the game so I do think it indicates who picked what the first time around.

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LOL Costin. They did seem tacked on in TW2. Dandelion could use a VA change, Zoltan is fine, Triss... ehhh, I could do without her clingy self, but they obviously deem her important enough to let her through TW2 unscratched.

VERY tacked on. Especially Triss who I could not give a bloody shit for. I can say that Dandelion and Zoltan don't outright irritate me at least.

[guipit]

Costin Moroianu said:

Dandelion and Zoltan don't outright irritate me at least. ›››

What's so annoying about Zoltan?


"Drinking alone is as bad as shitting in company"
those lines are what made me like him.

[gaurdian]

Costin Moroianu said:

I personally hope we never see Dandelion and Zoltan again cause I don't give a damn for either of them nor do I give a damn for Triss. ›››

I agree
specially dandelion is a pain in the ass !

[dragonbird]

I preferred Jaskier in the TV series, which is probably a pretty damning statement about the game version.

I've liked Zoltan since the Moral Relativity speech in TW1. But Dandelion? He seems to be there just to provide someone for Geralt to talk to and let us express Geralt's views on things. The only time I actually LIKED him was during the succubus segment.

[Guy N'wah]

I think CDPR has set Dandelion up as Geralt's chronicler, which gives him plot armor of sorts. To make up for this, I think they need to use him in a manner that lets him grow as a character. But not too much. He's supposed to be a coof, somebody Geralt has to protect because he hasn't the sense to do for himself.

[guipit]

Guy N said:

I think CDPR has set Dandelion up as Geralt's chronicler, which gives him plot armor of sorts. To make up for this, I think they need to use him in a manner that lets him grow as a character. But not too much. He's supposed to be a coof, somebody Geralt has to protect because he hasn't the sense to do for himself. ›››

Eh not everyone has to 'grow'. I feel if Dandelion died it'd be tacked on to add drama.

He does have plot armor but he isn't really a mover and shaker so who cares.

[slimgrin]

Costin Moroianu said:

I personally hope we never see Dandelion and Zoltan again cause I don't give a damn for either of them nor do I give a damn for Triss. ›››

You don't have a soul.

[Costin Moroianu]

At the very least one should have head slimgrin.

I don't have to care for certain characters and I don't and I am sick and tired of forced friendships.

guipit: Killing them is not necessary. Just don't have them in the story, why would they go to Nilfgaard with you anyway considering where they are at in the ending, especially on Iorveth's path.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't mind Zoltan and Dandy being there, if there's a reason. They are Geralt's friends and he cares for them, what I happen to think about them is irrelevant. That said, I'd want them to be in the bg as in TW2, where the main "companions" were Roche / Iorveth.


As for downplaying Iorveth, I personally don't see it. He kills both Geralt and Zoltan in cold blood if they annoy him. He finds the notion of innocent humans amusing. He arrogantly presumes to speak for nonhumans in Flotsam saying it's no life they lead, and calling them "more human" than Geralt. He threatens Geralt with horrendous torture (though yes the EE changing the animation annoys me a lot). He watches elven women burn without even hesitating for a second and considering helping them. The dwarves of Vergen despise him and see him as a mass murderer. He threatens to kill peasants and nobles of Vergen if they continued disrupting order. Even Saskia calls him a terrorist. And he is behind Foltest's murder not caring for the civil war and chaos this might incite.

All throughout, Iorveth was a cold blooded killer. What the game attempted to show (brilliantly imo) is that behind the cold blooded murderer lies a complex being with hopes and aspirations, and who given different circumstances might have been a different person. But he was never shown to be "good", and neither was Roche.

[Costin Moroianu]

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They are Geralt's friends and he cares for them

That's kinda the problem with him being friends to them. Has everyone forgotten about the amnesia? Because all it took for Geralt to become friends with them in TW1 was for them to mention they were friends...uh sure that's how it works right?

Sure Geralt regains his memory by the end of TW2 but only at the very end.

As for Iorveth the end result with him vs Roche is that while Roche is less criminal then Iorveth a slight majority believes otherwise that majority ( I guess it's 55-60% of players who finished ACT I ) are willing to side with Iorveth over Roche.