[▫ Dona ▫]

Dragon said:

Well to be fair, how do you expect a woman in Lara's shoes to react given the setup for the 2013 game and her age/inexperience? If I were her, I would probably be whining too. ›››

I was talking about Legend/Underworld, we don't know enough about 2013 reboot Lara to judge her character just yet.

[Luc0s]

Sirnaq said:

More Hollywood style mindless shooting and scripted gameplay, less secret hunting and less puzzle solving in TR game i consider dumping down. ›››

Again, it is clear to me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Again, I advice you to watch that 60 minute long playthrough of TR 2013 that I posted earlier in this thread.

But hey, if don't want to play TR 2013 because of your ignorant prejudices against the game, then that's your loss, not mine. I'll be playing this game in a couple of months and I'll enjoy it to the max.

[Sirnaq]

Luc0s said:

Again, it is clear to me that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Again, I advice you to watch that 60 minute long playthrough of TR 2013 that I posted earlier in this thread.

But hey, if don't want to play TR 2013 because of your ignorant prejudices against the game, then that's your loss, not mine. />/>/> I'll be playing this game in a couple of months and I'll enjoy it to the max. />/>/> ›››

Sorry mate, i don't have time to watch 1 hour of someone playing games. Instead i watched 10 minutes of random part of that video to see that tr 2013 is more of a splinter cell than tr game.

[seamusgod]

Wut the Melon said:

With the ridiculous amount of games both already available and releasing every year, I really can't see how anyone has enough time to play all games they want to. I know I have more than enough games in my backlog to last me a couple of years, and I'm already quite critical of which games I want to play. I think that in all of 2012 there have been maybe 3 major releases I actually want to play, none of which I have played yet. There are currently no 2013 releases I'm looking forward to, but I don't really mind that.

Also, by 'the worst year' do you mean the worst year for gaming since the Romans closed the Colloseum or is it just that superlatives are the only adjectives usable on the internet? ›››

didn't know video games existed back in roman times.

[Booraz]

I have to say the new Tomb Raider is the first one in ages i am really looking forward to. It looks like Crystal Dynamics are really trying to make a really good game. Whether they succeed remains to be seen.

Having said that i do consider the first Tomb Raider to be the best of the series. It was a groundbreaking game at the time. This was the first game i had to use graphic accelerator for. Since then i've played all tomb raider games and none of the following games have really managed to improve the first one. They were some minor tweaks, thats all. You can say thats a good thing, but after a 2 or 3 sequels it became quite boring. It looked like the same game again and again. The franchise needed something new.
Crystal Dynamics took over and created 2 (3 if you count anniversary) rather average games. I still enjoyed them but they were very linear in terms of level design. There was almost no exploration at all. Tomb Raider Anniversary wasn't a better game that original was imho, in fact it was worse in nearly every possible way than original.
The very first game has some unique feel, almost claustrophobic atmosphere, that feeling of being completely alone trough the whole game exploring the levels on your own pace. Thats the thing, it wasn't about action, fast paced combat or anything like that, it was about exploration, not knowing what hides in this corridor or that one. It was up to you to figure everything out. If you reached a closed door that you needed to open using 3 items or so, nobody has shown you where they are or which path to take, you needed to find it yourself and that was the beauty of it.

Nowadays, creating a game of similar description is almost impossible, it just wouldn't sell. We have to remember that consoles are driving a market. There is emphasis on creating a product that is accessible (easy to use and play) to every customer. These days people just wanna play a game for few hours without really thinking about the game, just a bit of mindless action/shooting to ease your mind of. Its disappointing but thats reality. So any developers have to take that into consideration. I still think that you can create a great game that will have financial success and will remain true to the original. I hope CD will achieve that. Time will tell.

I really like the fact its a re-launch of the series. I also like the fact Lara will have some sort of personality (She looks better already imho) and story will play a bigger part than in previous games. Thats an improvement. Yea sure there was some sort of story in each TR games but it wasn't really that interesting. I hope thats gonna change and story will be more personal.

I also wish there will be plenty of exploration, maybe some optional stuff hidden somewhere in the island that will help you understand whats going on. Stuff like that.

I haven't really looked to much at any game videos or trailers as i don't want to spoil the game but from what i've seen it looks promising, at least enough to look forward to it.

[Gilrond]

Booraz said:

Nowadays, creating a game of similar description is almost impossible, it just wouldn't sell. We have to remember that consoles are driving a market. There is emphasis on creating a product that is accessible (easy to use and play) to every customer. These days people just wanna play a game for few hours without really thinking about the game, just a bit of mindless action/shooting to ease your mind of. Its disappointing but thats reality. So any developers have to take that into consideration. I still think that you can create a great game that will have financial success and will remain true to the original. I hope CD will achieve that. Time will tell.

I think not everybody should follow stupid trends. Some developers still create what they like without thinking about some "driving market needs". And in such cases something really good comes out.

[Saoe]

People are judging TR or other games based on someone else’s opinion without even completing the game themselves. I will give it a try, even tho someone on web said it’s just like Splinter Cell or Uncharted. Well some people would like to play mix of both.
I don’t understand some people who only based their game purchases on some guy personal opinion, without first playing the game themselves.

[Sirnaq]

http://www.joystiq.c...a-waste-of-mon/

About multiplayer. And don't get me wrong, there are good multiplayer games, games that was ment to be multiplayer like left 4 dead or tribes. But not every game needs multiplayer and often it hurts game instead of enhancing it.

[yayodeanno]

Unrelated to the discussion I just read a nice article about the original Tomb Raider game written (seen) from a female perspective.

http://www.rockpaper...me-tomb-raider/

[freakie1one]

yayodeanno said:

Unrelated to the discussion I just read a nice article about the original Tomb Raider game written (seen) from a female perspective.

Oh, come on. Everyone knows females don't play video games! *Runs and hides with a bowl of popcorn*

[Sirnaq]

yayodeanno said:

Unrelated to the discussion I just read a nice article about the original Tomb Raider game written (seen) from a female perspective.

http://www.rockpaper...me-tomb-raider/ ›››

freakie1one said:

Oh, come on. Everyone knows females don't play video games! *Runs and hides with a bowl of popcorn* />/> ›››

You guys may want to post in misogyny thread #435342542365. Im pretty sure it's heavy off-top here.

[gregski]

Sirnaq said:

You guys may want to post in misogyny thread #435342542365. Im pretty sure it's heavy off-top here. ›››

Damn, it's only 3rd of January and someone already mentioned that thread :|

[▫ Dona ▫]

yayodeanno said:

Unrelated to the discussion I just read a nice article about the original Tomb Raider game written (seen) from a female perspective.

http://www.rockpaper...me-tomb-raider/ ›››

That's a good article and it explains some of my problems with the 'new' TR, especially why I'm so annoyed with the fact they took away the sense of being on your own. Lara went against some of the biggest stereotypes and gave girls a bit of virtual space where they could be strong and unafraid, even in 'scary' situations. I'm sorry some of you think it's funny or belonging in 'misogyny' threads just because it's about a female character, because you don't understand how important she was, because you got hundreds of lone heroes you can relate to.

If Geralt got Zoltan and Dandelion constantly calling him on a magical headset and telling him what to do, you'd be annoyed, too.

[gregski]

More info about TR's multiplayer:

http://www.eurogamer...etails-revealed

[▫ Dona ▫]

gregski said:

More info about TR's multiplayer:

http://www.eurogamer...etails-revealed ›››

One of the commenters raises a good question, how long is the main campaign going to be if they're releasing three multiplayer modes? And in none of them you play as Lara (that was expected, but still). Ow. :/

[Aver]

▫ Dona ▫ said:

One of the commenters raises a good question, how long is the main campaign going to be if they're releasing three multiplayer modes? And in none of them you play as Lara (that was expected, but still). Ow. :/ ›››

They said few month ago that it will take ~12h to beat the campaign.

[▫ Dona ▫]

Aver said:

They said few month ago that it will take ~12h to beat the campaign. ›››

Thanks, I missed that info. That's... yeah, not a lot, and pretty standard for Crystal's previous TR games (and marginally better than Legend's 6h). With a short game like that, I wonder if they are going to go back to Core's "a game a year" TR model.

[gregski]

Considering the fact that the MP is developed by another team/company, I wonder how is it possible that they come up with only ~12 hours of SP campaign. Not much productivity there.

[yayodeanno]

I think it was Eidos tasking Core with annual releases back in the day, and when the developer team wasn't able to deliver anymore Eidos just took the franchise off from them and gave it to Crystal Dynamics. There's a video floating around with a version of Anniversary which was being developed by Core but never saw the light of day.

And about multiplayer in TR. Seriously?

[Aver]

yayodeanno said:

And about multiplayer in TR. Seriously? ›››

It's not about multiplayer. It's about sending a message to pirates and users of used copies.