[gregski]

KnightofPhoenix said:

And good for you!

What would you think if say, your daughter failed an exam, because she put all these toys in the unisex category, as had happened to others?

Shit like that happens. ›››

I wouldn't protest against patriarchy or women discrimination, there would be a bigger issue to dealth with, that is a totally dumb education system that even allows exams that have nothing to do with child's development. And to be honest little children here don't have exams.

[Pangaea]

Costin Moroianu said:

He means communism. ›››

That's how it usually gets abused, yes.

[freakie1one]

AnDr01d said:

Yeah, the endlessness of mankind's ability to be stupid. I forget that some times...
But in all seriousness, KoP doesn't come from any underdeveloped country or is part of a social or religious group that is know for their backwards thinking. It's just, I don't even... How?!? How is this possible in any society that we call modern?—I only believed such things to be possible in redneck-infested areas in the US... ›››

Hmm to feed the troll or not to feed. That is the question!

[AnDr01d]

freakie1one said:

Hmm to feed the troll or not to feed. That is the question! ›››

We have a troll here? Where?
Now I'm scared. Somebody do something!

- - - - -
I just couldn't resist the bait, now could I?
But to be honest that was no attempt at trolling but merely my twisted form of humour (often called sarcasm) that I use as a (for me funny) way of exaggerating what I mean and thus trying to make my point clearer.

I try to reduce my sarcasm a little most times. But there are situations were I just can't keep the damn thing from interfering with what I write and say...

[freakie1one]

Well, I can understand using sarcasm in such a manner... but I just found it about as classy as if one were to replace "redneck-infested areas in the US" with "nazi-infested areas in Germany". Usually provocative comments like this are made in an attempt to get a response from people. In other words: to troll.

[AnDr01d]

freakie1one said:

Well, I can understand using sarcasm in such a manner... but I just found it about as classy as if one were to replace "redneck-infested areas in the US" with "nazi-infested areas in Germany". Usually comments like this are made in an attempt to get a response from people. In other words: to troll. ›››

I don't see what's the problem with those "nazi-infested areas here in Germany" (well apart from the fact that all turns have to be right turns and it's generally bad when gas-prizes are high).

I just am that way. My humor actually is this bad.
I have to chain it whenever I'm in public, but tonight these chains broke. Come tomorrow my humor will be locked up tight again (I hope) so don't worry. And I'm not gonna post anything before my humor is back under control as to not cause any (more) harm...

[freakie1one]

Well, I was browsing Youtube when I happened across a video that demonstrates first-hand how detrimental patriarchy can be to society:

[slimgrin]

dragonbird said:

Having, over the course of the last few hours, read this:

Paying for sex: Women's groups call for EU-wide ban

and this:

Sexist Signs

I'd like to say that I, as a woman who cherishes equal rights, frequently feel that I need the support of Feminist Activists as much as I need a frontal lobotomy. ›››

Seems rabid political correctness and feminism go hand in hand. No wonder I've hard time accepting it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AnDr01d said:

Yeah, the endlessness of mankind's ability to be stupid. I forget that some times...
But in all seriousness, KoP doesn't come from any underdeveloped country or is part of a social or religious group that is know for their backwards thinking. It's just, I don't even... How?!? How is this possible in any society that we call modern?—I only believed such things to be possible in redneck-infested areas in the US... ›››

This didn't happen in Canada, it's in the US. But Canada has its problems as well.

But I lived in Syria. Which makes me appreciate countries like Canada, with its "evil liberal engineering agenda" and the necessity of well-guided feminism all the more.

[AnDr01d]

KnightofPhoenix said:

This didn't happen in Canada, it's in the US. But Canada has its problems as well.

But I lived in Syria. Which makes me appreciate countries like Canada, with its "evil liberal engineering agenda" and the necessity of well-guided feminism all the more. ›››

Seems fitting for the US. (Sorry, if I don't have a high opinion of the Land Of The Free, but hearing US-American politicians talk, makes me puke even more than hearing German politicians talk. Also, worst stereotypes are those that are actually true... )

You talk about well-guided feminism. How should that happen? Who's to guide? Would the feminists actually follow the guidelines (especially those hardcore alpha women, that would rather die than be guided by a man)?
I'm genuinely curious how you envision this. I think it could work, the question is how.

[freakie1one]

AnDr01d said:

Seems fitting for the US. (Sorry, if I don't have a high opinion of the Land Of The Free, but hearing US-American politicians talk, makes me puke even more than hearing German politicians talk. Also, worst stereotypes are those that are actually true... /> )

You talk about well-guided feminism. How should that happen? Who's to guide? Would the feminists actually follow the guidelines (especially those hardcore alpha women, that would rather die than be guided by a man)?
I'm genuinely curious how you envision this. I think it could work, the question is how. ›››

It's ok to not have a high opinion of the USA. I'm used to every other country in the world saying how much they hate the USA while simultaneously copying American culture. What I don't understand is why other countries tend to copy the worst parts of American culture: rap music, mainstream pop music, Hollywood movies, etc.

I work with a lady who was born and raised in Germany and she just can't get enough of Britney Spears, The Backstreet Boys and N'sync. I listen to quite a few German artists so I ask her why she likes the mainstream American crap. She replied "it's easier to dance to". I am an American arguing that German music is better and she's a German trying to convince me that American music is better. The whole ordeal must have looked pretty comical.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AnDr01d said:

You talk about well-guided feminism. How should that happen? Who's to guide? Would the feminists actually follow the guidelines (especially those hardcore alpha women, that would rather die than be guided by a man)?
I'm genuinely curious how you envision this. I think it could work, the question is how. ›››

I believe that the vast vast majority of people are naturally inclined towards moderation. People are not ideologues. If left to their own devices, or not pushed by circumstances, they would I believe be moderate.

In order to avoid polarization and making the whole ordeal yet another man vs woman issue (a dichotomy and power struggle I find to be an illusion), men should assist and coordinate with feminists. If they do not wish to join which I find preferable, then men's rights groups should coordinate with those in the feminist camp that would welcome them. The loudmouths will always be present, but this act would push them to the side. They wouldn't have ammo to use (whereas men being confrontational to feminists is what they need).

For social movements like that, it's pretty organic I feel. I wouldn't depend on guidelines, but rather people's natural inclination towards moderation, with the state enacting laws and undertaking actions that would promote it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

dp

[Costin Moroianu]

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I believe that the vast vast majority of people are naturally inclined towards moderation. People are not ideologues. If left to their own devices, or not pushed by circumstances, they would I believe be moderate.

I'd argue against that quite strongly. I believe the majority or the vast majority ( depends on country ) are strongly inclined towards passivity. Accepting things as they are rather then trying to change them.

[Vandergrift]

Well they are some Double standards. And some rules.

1. Stronger should not hit weaker.

2. Weaker do not provoke stronger, test his patience and self control and don't incite voilence

Guys understand this, many womens don't. many women want to be protected from consequences of breaking rule 2. And they are, self-defending guy can by lynched by mob only for hitting back. Even if he is kicked in the balls(may be castrated), he should not punch back.

3. Stronger protect the weaker.

4. Defended pay respect defender for fact that he take the risk.

5. Defended don't take unnecessary risk, he/she is risking also a defender life and well being.

Sadly many woman dont understand connection between point 3 and 4&5.
And men are not martyrs so they drop point 3 if they are not respected for holding it and when others put them at risk stupidly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin Moroianu said:

I'd argue against that quite strongly. I believe the majority or the vast majority ( depends on country ) are strongly inclined towards passivity. Accepting things as they are rather then trying to change them. ›››

Passivity and moderation are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, they will need leaders and a culture that encourages and promotes such things, to inspire them to work. And once they are inspired, I believe they naturally lean towards moderation.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Vandergrift said:

Well they are some Double standards. And some rules.

1. Stronger should not hit weaker. ›››

How about people should not resort to violence unless *absolutely necessary*?

I know that if for instance, a woman hits me unprovoked, while I would be tempted to hit back, I wouldn't. If she's trying to beat me up, I'd try my best to subdue her, but not hit her. I would do the exact same thing with a guy.

Now if she or he is trying to kill me or physically maim me with extreme violence, then yea I'll knock her or him out. But unless absolutely necessary, people shouldn't resort to violence. That to me, applies to both men and women.

[Vandergrift]

But time for comic relief.

Check this site.
http://whoneedsfeminism.tumblr.com/

I will post some of explanation why someone need feminism and comment it. I will go for shorther ones.

So I go with little gems of reason

"I need feminism because I was told that I should expect to be sexually harassed just for being female."
I am sexual harassed, people should not sexually harass sex(gender?) they sexually prefer, IT IS SEXIST!
Sexual harassment for other reason is ok.

"I need feminism because being drunk is not an excuse for sexually assaulting me.
I can never wash that feeling of dirtiness from my skin."
Leaving house for weekend and leaving it wide open don't mean that I invite a theft. I need feminist to say to theft that thievery is bad, and to neighbor to fight the theft and risk life for my irresponsibility. After being robbed I dont feel so safe in my house.

"I need feminism because what I choose to do with my body hair should be nobody’s business but my own!"
Others should not judge my body by their preferences. Mustache are sexy. Hair down there should be liked if I like them. Stop have your own opinion.

"I need feminism because I want EVERYONE to see the women in my life the way I do:
Brilliant, inspiring, equal."
This pic is hold by a man(gina)
Other should not hold own opinion about women in my life.

"I need feminism because I “deserved” to be abused, physically and emotionally, and almost murdered, at the age of 15 by the boy that I thought LOVED ME.
At least, that’s what I’ve been told."
Feminism should learn me how to recognize abusive man and how to brake abusive relationship. I do not have own eyes and brain thus i dont hold responsibility for my own decisions.

”I need feminism because… When I told a friend I had sleep paralysis he answered me that I had no power in my dreams because I am a woman and that I must have internalized my inferior status!”
Jokes about my gender exist, contrary to opposite gender! Feminism help!

"I need feminism because I don’t want to be verbally harassed, and be told to ‘calm down’ when I stand up for myself"
Feminist i need psychotherapy! I dont know how distinct feeling threatened and harassed from actual being threatened and harassed so I overreact on trivial mater.

"I need feminism because I’m strong women and I’m proud of it!"
I am not enough strong&proud to be strong&proud as independent being, without feminism help.

[grregg]

Vandergrift said:

Well they are some Double standards. And some rules.

1. Stronger should not hit weaker.

2. Weaker do not provoke stronger, test his patience and self control and don't incite voilence

Guys understand this, many womens don't. many women want to be protected from consequences of breaking rule 2. And they are, self-defending guy can by lynched by mob only for hitting back. Even if he is kicked in the balls(may be castrated), he should not punch back.

3. Stronger protect the weaker.

4. Defended pay respect defender for fact that he take the risk.

5. Defended don't take unnecessary risk, he/she is risking also a defender life and well being.

Sadly many woman dont understand connection between point 3 and 4&5.
And men are not martyrs so they drop point 3 if they are not respected for holding it and when others put them at risk stupidly. ›››

*sigh* All guys? Really? Is there some kind of a pact that all men sign when they are born? I'm afraid I didn't get the memo.

As far inciting violence, you better be really careful there or you'll start blaming the victim. Sure, there are situations where violence might be justified, but "she was getting on my nerves" ain't one of them. Same goes for "she was really testing my patience". Is it really to much to expect guys to exercise some self control? Really? What are we, a bunch of barbarians?

Similarly for the "don't take risks" part. If you want to help someone, props to you, but don't limit their freedom by inventing a hypothetical situation and claiming it endangers you. Simply staying away should be sufficient for your safety.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Vandergfrit. Regardless of how irresponsible you are, the moral and legal blame and responsibility always falls on the perpetrator of the act if there's any shred of justice.

You can leave your house's door wide open at night. You would be irresponsible. But it's the thieves who are morally and legally responsible for their crime, not you. It's their choice, they are responsible for it. To suggest otherwise, is simply unjust.

Furthermore, I do not appreciate you turning this into a joke.