[slimgrin]

.Volsung. said:

I thought they were just having fun, never considered them journalists. So yeah, I suppose we agree on that. ›››

Extra Credit is quite serious. It spells out the blatantly obvious in a long, roundabout way. That's the most it accomplishes

[freakie1one]

Not to keep spurring the off-topic chat, but can anyone tell me what the consequences are if a game is misclassified under the wrong genre? I fail to see the importance

EDIT: thinking about it further, the only real significance I can come up with is if a game was erroneously categorized as a simulator. Simulators attempt to represent an actual reproduction of the real thing while games are allowed more liberties when it comes to realism. So to mislabel a game as a simulator (or vice versa) would be false advertising. This I consider to be a significant impact. But whether or not someone considers a game to be an action game, an RPG or an adventure game... how is this significant? Zelda and The Witcher could both fall under every one of those categories...

[Chromie92]

freakie1one said:

Not to keep spurring the off-topic chat, but can anyone tell me what the consequences are if a game is misclassified under the wrong genre? I fail to see the importance ›››

I don't think it's important just in this case it is because it's a kickstarter for a magazine dedicated to ARPG's. I wouldn't have much faith in the magazine if the journalists actually think Zelda is an rpg.

[freakie1one]

Ok, so I'm not missing anything? Arguing over what defines an RPG is such a common occurrence on the internet that I'd assumed I must be missing something. It makes about as much sense as arguing why the color blue is superior to the color green. In the end it's just as productive.

[arkblazer]

Did you even check out the link i sent you, Mr. video game expert >_>?

welp seems like you did, so let me just say... well that like, your opinion man.

[Sirnaq]

If there is role playing in the game then this game is rpg.
no role playing = not rpg

role playing means: improvise freely, collaboratively create stories and shaping outcome of the game. (at least one thing is required to call a game rpg) In videogame you can simulate only shaping the outcome by c&c, rest is impossible because no gm or artificial intelligence with 1 exception that is role playing servers of neverwinter nights. Only way to shape outcome in video-game is due to multiple choices and consequences (like in witcher and witcher 2).

Furthermore, term rpg does NOT describe gameplay. Game can be action game or strategy or war game or even simple adventure game without any combat nor system whatsoever.

also:

http://insomnia.ac/c...-playing_games/

[freakie1one]

Sirnaq said:

If there is role playing in the game then this game is rpg.
no role playing = not rpg

role playing means: improvise freely, collaboratively create stories and shaping outcome of the game. (at least one thing is required to call a game rpg) In videogame you can simulate only shaping the outcome by c&c, rest is impossible because no gm or artificial intelligence with 1 exception that is role playing servers of neverwinter nights. Only way to shape outcome in video-game is due to multiple choices and consequences (like in witcher and witcher 2).

Furthermore, term rpg does NOT describe gameplay. Game can be action game or strategy or war game or even simple adventure game without any combat nor system whatsoever.

also:

http://insomnia.ac/c...-playing_games/ ›››

Well, according to that article you linked both Witcher games would be (and I paraphrase) "action-adventure games and NOT true RPGs". I'm not sure if you actually read it, but it's basically a long-winded rant which can be summed up with one sentence: "pure role-playing games are controlled completely by the player's mind, and the only human ability that is being tested is that of decision-making."

Which leads back to my original statement: who cares whether or not a game is considered to be a "pure or true RPG" as long as it's fun? The rest is inconsequential.

[VonStreff]

Hey guys, I'd just like to clarify: this magazine is called 'ARGPGamer', and will talk mainly about action RPGs. It's true, Zelda isn't even really an action RPG, but looking at the roots of the action game, and how they influence ARPGs is interesting. I'd say we're splitting hairs here, though it is definitely an interesting discussion.

This magazine layout is at a very early stage, and this is just a mock-up. If you have any questions, feel free to ask, either here or over on KickStarter. Thanks!

[.Volsung.]

Also, the magazine is called ARPGamer, not ARPGames, so they probably focus on a variety of games that the editors themselves like and a wide spectrum of games liked by people who normally play action-RPG's, including shooters and action/adventure games with customizable traits.

[Sirnaq]

freakie1one said:

Well, according to that article you linked both Witcher games would be (and I paraphrase) "action-adventure games and NOT true RPGs". I'm not sure if you actually read it, but it's basically a long-winded rant which can be summed up with one sentence: "pure role-playing games are controlled completely by the player's mind, and the only human ability that is being tested is that of decision-making."

Which leads back to my original statement: who cares whether or not a game is considered to be a "pure or true RPG" as long as it's fun? The rest is inconsequential. ›››

Because it's true, no videogame can be rpg, but some devs at least try to make rpg, and i consider any game with hint or illusion of roleplaying cRPG (which witcher games deliver due to c&c). Games like diablo or zelda don't have any hint of roleplaying therefore they are not rpgs. Also if no one care if game is true rpg or not then why everyone keep calling these games rpg? Just call them what they are.

[VonStreff]

.Volsung. said:

Also, the magazine is called ARPGamer, not ARPGames, so they probably focus on a variety of games that the editors themselves like and a wide spectrum of games liked by people who normally play action-RPG's, including shooters and action/adventure games with customizable traits. ›››

This is true in part, but it will definitely be very action-RPG based. Borderlands 2, for instance, is very dubious in it's RPG status, as is Zelda. Please ask questions through the email.

http://www.kickstart...amer-magazine-0
^ The link, so you guys don't have to go back to post #1

[VonStreff]

Just a heads up for those who are unsure what this magazine will be like: ARPGamer will have their website running very soon! http://arpgamer.com/current/

[VonStreff]

http://arpgamer.com/arpgamer/

It's up and running, so you guys can see what kinda stuff will actually be in the magazine.

[VonStreff]

It's been through bender, looking much better: http://www.kickstart...gazine?ref=card