[Aver]

Wichat said:

Well, Constantinople, Rome... they enjoyed a sewer system and wastewater collection which engineers are still copied today. And they also had a very effective cleaning of roadways. I can not imagine the centurions dodging horse poop or slipping on them. The Roman military dignity would not allow such a risk. The filth and dirt appeared centuries later with the arrival of the dark ages of medievalism and the deculturalization of the people. ›››

Well, nowadays we have sewer system, cars that don't shit and garbage trucks... Yet, you may see such scenes in Italy:
http://i.imgur.com/88jIj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jkrjr.jpg

When I was in Paris it was perfectly clean... in downtown. Just try to leave city center and go to less prestigious districts. You will find a lot of garbage and dog poop on sidewalk (fortunately there are no horses in cities this days) in the supposedly most romantic city on the world.

I don't believe that cities filled with donkeys and horses (that were only ways to transport heavy stuff through city) could be clean. Those animals shit and piss constantly and there were tens of tousends of them - it would took tousends of city cleaners to keep it clean, but I don't have idea what they would do with piss puddles... Maybe drink them?

[Wichat]

Mmmmm drink them? I bet that Pretorians were able to make drink them to any distracted slave just to have his devoted Cesar pleased

[Aditya_the_warrior_within]

Costin Moroianu said:

Granted I don't think we should really expect something as vast as AC games. I mean they have around over 500 people working on each AC game ( perhaps even as high as 1000 ) whereas CDPR doesn't have anywhere near as many.

Then again Ubisoft does make one AC game per year whereas CDPR does spend several years on each game so there's that. ›››

There were different teams working on the games so not exactly a yearly release

[Aver]

Costin Moroianu said:

Then again Ubisoft does make one AC game per year

Have you ever seen opening credits of AC?

"Game by:
Ubisoft Toronto
Ubisoft Montreal
Ubisoft Shanghai
Ubisoft Massive
Ubisoft San Francisco"

Those credits goes on and on. Give CDPR gazillion of studios and you will see the same thing . But I don't think that it is good idea for RPG.

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Mmmmm drink them? I bet that Pretorians were able to make drink them to any distracted slave just to have his devoted Cesar pleased

For the record. We are talking about da Vinci's times. Not Cesar's times .

[gab961111]

The game is mostly made in Montreal, but its true that some parts are weird because they are made in other studios.

[Wichat]

Aver said:

For the record. We are talking about da Vinci's times. Not Cesar's times . ›››

My time machine didn't work....

[Hyunickel]

I have to wait till the PC release to try this one out. But the cities in AC are indeed gorgeous.

I think with cyberpunk specifically, which is slated to be completely open-world, CD Projket should definitely make the cities feel more alive and filled with things to do. I'm confident in their direction either ways.

[Queenslayer]

I wanted to ask you guys, with people here being experienced with great written characters and such () is Connor a good protagonist in the game? Is the antagonist memorable? And is the overall story very good?

These are basically the three main reasons that I'm wondering about whether I should get the game or not.

[IceEpicX]

AC 3 was a huge dissapointment in terms of Connor's story.Desmond story and ending were amazing IMO.I don't see anything special in AC3 cities or the frontier,I'm dissapointed,other AC games did this better.Oh and I forgot Vizima and Vergen seemed more lively,small but every building meant something and you could get in it,in AC games 95% of buildings are just same copy paste buildings with no meaning or pourpose.the setting was great in the AC games(except AC3),but still,vergen and vizima felt so special.

AC3 is the worst AC game IMO(the multiplayer,Desmond's story and naval combat are the only things i liked)

[Wichat]

IceEpicX said:

AC 3 was a huge dissapointment in terms of Connor's story.Desmond story and ending were amazing IMO.I don't see anything special in AC3 cities or the frontier,I'm dissapointed,other AC games did this better.Oh and I forgot Vizima and Vergen seemed more lively,small but every building meant something and you could get in it,in AC games 95% of buildings are just same copy paste buildings with no meaning or pourpose.the setting was great in the AC games(except AC3),but still,vergen and vizima felt so special.
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Oh... It's me or there is a some little similarity between the flaws in AC3 and DA2?

[Queenslayer]

Desmond's story was good? Interesting. Most people I've heard said it really sucked, especially considered with the ending.

[Luc0s]

Wichat said:

Oh... It's me or there is a some little similarity between the flaws in AC3 and DA2? ›››

Oh no, not at all. AC3 is vastly superior to DA2.

I also disagree with almost everything that other guy you replied to said. The cities in AC3 don't look copy-pasted at all. Some houses are bound to be similar, but it's not just simple copy-pasta. Ubisoft did their best to make Boston and New York as close to the historical Boston and New York as possible. Both cities look really great.

And the frontier is just breathtaking. It's a vast and gigantic landscape, fully handcrafted. No copy-pasta in the frontier at all. Think of Skyrim, though smaller, but also prettier and more realistic than Skyrim.


And though Desmonds story is kinda boring and bad, it doesn't matter because you only play with Desmond for 10% of the whole game. The other 90% you play as Connor and his story is great in my opinion.


All by all I really love Assassins Creed 3. Great game. Worth GOTY in my opinion, but that's more because of the lack of competition than anything else. Almost all other games released this year sucked or weren't anything new or special.

[guipit]

IceEpicX said:

AC 3 was a huge dissapointment in terms of Connor's story.Desmond story and ending were amazing IMO. ›››

What!?

Queenslayer said:

is Connor a good protagonist in the game? Is the antagonist memorable? And is the overall story very good? ›››

No he's the typical revenge character but I like how he questions the morality of everyone he meets.

Connors father was memorable for me but he didn't have any complex motives or stuff like that.

Story is forgettable but enjoyable.

[Sanctus91]

Word of advise for pc users do not buy AC3 its badly ported , bugged and unplayable the game has a fps drop issue, on ubis forum there is a 80pg thread about the issue is very severe it affects all kinds of systems for ex some old pcs can run it and new ones cant and vice versa ,i can run Witcher 2 and Skyrim on high but i cant run AC 3 on minimum and i have the recommended requierments, not minimal

[misho87233]

Sanctus91 said:

Word of advise for pc users do not buy AC3 its badly ported , bugged and unplayable the game has a fps drop issue, on ubis forum there is a 80pg thread about the issue is very severe it affects all kinds of systems for ex some old pcs can run it and new ones cant and vice versa ,i can run Witcher 2 and Skyrim on high but i cant run AC 3 on minimum and i have the recommended requierments, not minimal ›››

Totally true.. I was looking forward to AC III, but man, it's so bad ported.. when i'm on the ship, everything goes smoothly, but in Boston, that's another story - and that's where i've stopped playing..oh well, back to FC3

[Guy N'wah]

Wichat said:

Well, Constantinople, Rome... they enjoyed a sewer system and wastewater collection which engineers are still copied today. And they also had a very effective cleaning of roadways. I can not imagine the centurions dodging horse poop or slipping on them. The Roman military dignity would not allow such a risk. The filth and dirt appeared centuries later with the arrival of the dark ages of medievalism and the deculturalization of the people. ›››

The Romans did have street cleaners and held property owners responsible for the street in front of their houses. Street cleaning was one of the most visible public functions of the aediles. But there was still more mud and filth than could be cleaned up, and more chaos than could be well controlled; Juvenal wrote of mud up to his shins, tiles falling off roofs, pots flung out of windows, impudent drunks, traffic jams, and so forth. Not even Rome was quite so shining as one may imagine.

Medieval cities also had sanitation; London had street cleaners, an aqueduct, toilets and sewers, dumping laws, laws against transporting offal through the streets or pitching household waste out one's window (Gardyloo!). These were variably enforced and not always carried out; for instance, street cleaners did not work in the rain (and it rained a lot in London then, too). It was not "dark ages" or "deculturalization" that led to filthy cities, but the overwhelming of services by migration to the cities.

This does not take away from the Roman achievements. Roman architecture, materials science, civil engineering, and city planning were unsurpassed for many centuries, and they have never been discarded, rather built upon and made newer. But the cities of the Middle Ages were not mere degraded echoes of Rome or Byzantium.

[Sanctus91]

i bought along AC3 Mount and Blade Warband so until its patched i shall mount and blade