[Aditya_the_warrior_within]

so I felt its time we spoke about this as a major PC community gamers and users alike. Althought the preview got good reviews and cosmetically looks good, 2 big names - Valve and Blizzard (the latter I don't personally care about though, but still) stated that win 8 is "catastrophic to the PC line". I saw it in quiet some sites, so you can search them easily for yourself.
This brings me to question- when win 8 is launched, will CDP jump to support TW games on that platform? well it TW (both) doesn't work then hell no way I'm upgrading to it. Also did the guys at CDP got a chance to use it for themselves? I'd like to know their thoughts.

(after searching there was no thread on this so made it, if there exists then kindly merge it to existing ones)

[Chromie92]

So far Gabe Newell and Blizzard have said they don't like Windows 8. I would certainly like to hear CDProjekt's opinion.

[hashim94]

Yeah, Valve feels it's going to hurt them since Xbox LIVE will be integrated to Windows 8. I don't know if it'll be that bad. I mean Games for Windows Live is pretty much hated.

[wisielec]

I think its all about the money. App store is to be integrated with Win8; platforms like Steam, GOG and Origin may fear it will cut em off of some revenue.

[Sirnaq]

Windows 8 is exactly windows 7 with performance tweeks and some useless metro ui. Im using it for 2 weeks and seems to be nice, responsive system.

Ofcourse this is obligatory download because metro ui is terrible.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

APPS are pretty much useless and im sure 90% of people not gonna use it (other than checking weather). If you mod it a bit it's just another windows with nice optimization.

Also im using steam on it and it doesn't have any problems, i have no idea why gabe hate it so much other than you see xbox live logo in metro if you didn't mode it out.

What's important is that windows 8 perform in games better than windows 7:

[Saoe]

Sirnaq said:

Windows 8 is exactly windows 7 with performance tweeks and some useless metro ui. Im using it for 2 weeks and seems to be nice, responsive system.

Ofcourse this is obligatory download because metro ui is terrible.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

APPS are pretty much useless and im sure 90% of people not gonna use it (other than checking weather). If you mod it a bit it's just another windows with nice optimization.

Also im using steam on it and it doesn't have any problems, i have no idea why gabe hate it so much other than you see xbox live logo in metro if you didn't mode it out.

What's important is that windows 8 perform in games better than windows 7:
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thanks, I have no clue about W8.

[Agbeth]

Sirnaq said:

What's important is that windows 8 perform in games better than windows 7: ›››

Extra performance is great but will I notice the difference if I play everything on max already? Besides upgrading windows is too costly so I think its better to wait till windows 7 gets outdated and get windows 9

[*Tommy*]

Upgrading to windows 8 over a previous OS shouldn`t be that costly at first at least not until Jan. 2013
http://www.techradar...details-1088425

[Saoe]

Hmm I'm pretty sure that clean instal is better preformance wise then just upgrade/patch to W8.

[Reod]

There is Polish proverb "when you do not know what's going on, it's about money" (i dont know if i translated good )

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A key executive at Blizzard Entertainment has personally endorsed Gabe Newell's claim that Windows 8 "is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space".

Rob Pardo, the executive vice president of game design at the Diablo 3 studio, quoted Newell's comments on his personal twitter account before adding that Windows 8 is "not awesome for Blizzard either".

Discussion on the value of Windows 8 has hitherto been relatively quiet among games designers. Yet Newell, the co-founder of Valve Software, sparked debate on the subject by describing Windows 8 as "a catastrophe".

It appears that his claims were centred on criticisms that that Microsoft will want to have more control over various applications and purchases made through its next operating system. The full details have not yet been announced by Microsoft.

"There's a strong temptation to close the platform," Newell said, "because they look at what they can accomplish when they limit the competitors' access to the platform, and they say, 'That's really exciting.'"

This appears to reference to the Windows Store in the Microsoft operating system, which could restrict companies' options to sell their software directly. Microsoft will take a 30 per cent royalty cut of every sale made through this store.

Source

TLDR : Some peoples are voicing concerns that MS is jealouse of apple store and will try to do own "MS store" in future OS's.Apple is doing that on own made devices but if MS is planning that on devices they dont even make its kinda utterly BS.

[SystemShock7]

Reod said:

There is Polish proverb "when you do not know what's going on, it's about money" (i dont know if i translated good )

TLDR : Some peoples are voicing concerns that MS is jealouse of apple store and will try to do own "MS store" in future OS's.Apple is doing that on own made devices but if MS is planning that on devices they dont even make its kinda utterly BS. ›››

In any language, no matter how you translate it, it is always about the money

This xbox live integration thing brings back memories of the IE integration lawsuit in the early 90s. And yes, it does seem with each subsequent release, that MS wants to make Windows look and feel like MacOS or even gnome/KDE like.

[Wut the Melon]

If they lock it down and become as 'closed' as iOS, I think we'd better switch to Linux indeed... but I don't think MS is that stupid/greedy/anti-customer that they will force everyone to use their store. As long as stores such as Steam and GOG can be used independently I don't see a problem there.

Now, with the Metro UI and some other decisions MS makes based on the inverse of feedback...

[Sirnaq]

Reod said:

There is Polish proverb "when you do not know what's going on, it's about money" (i dont know if i translated good )



Source

TLDR : Some peoples are voicing concerns that MS is jealouse of apple store and will try to do own "MS store" in future OS's.Apple is doing that on own made devices but if MS is planning that on devices they dont even make its kinda utterly BS. ›››

let them make their store, no one will buy their "apps", normal programs working fine on windows 8 preview and if they want to close platform then people will just move to older versions of windows or just create modified versions of gaming linuxes.

[synd]

M$ aren't going to forbid Steam/Blizz store/Origin/GoG or w/e comes to your mind.
Valve and Blizz are scared that people won't bother installing extra software or visit a website, follow steps and so on, when they can just open the future integrated Windows 8 store.
Marketing aside, Win8 is greater than Win7. Performance-wise is way better, the UI is also improved for good, the Metro UI start screen is actually 10 times faster to use than the Win7 start menu. It's way easier to find what you're looking for instead of clicking through windows. For example if you want to find a specific file in Win7, you need to open an explorer window or windows search and then wait for a long search. That's not a concern in Win8, just hit the windows key and start typing. Can't be easier!

And last, about Linux as an alternative to Win8. No, Valve/Blizz don't promote it or help the development of Linux. If they did so, they'd lose a lot of money. Remember how Blizz banned everyone who was playing D3 on Linux? Yeah, cool supporting there.

[gregski]

Reod said:

There is Polish proverb "when you do not know what's going on, it's about money" (i dont know if i translated good )



Source

TLDR : Some peoples are voicing concerns that MS is jealouse of apple store and will try to do own "MS store" in future OS's.Apple is doing that on own made devices but if MS is planning that on devices they dont even make its kinda utterly BS. ›››

First, the Windows Store will NOT be obligatory for software makers to sell their software for W8. I can't really imagine how any developer could actually fear Windows Store. It's a huge merchandising, advertising and distribution channel, apart from places like GOG, Steam, Origin etc. If you are a developer, with Windows 8 you have access to a few hundred million devices that will be shipped yearly with Windows Store. And to Steam. And GOG. And Origin. Etc. Where's the lockdown?

Second, Windows Store will be mostly about Metro style applications, that are both mouse+keyboard and touch enabled. So traditional, "heavy" business applications and AAA games will not likely be distributed through Windows Store.

Third, Windows Store actually gives better revenue sharing option than Apple, as after the application surpasses the 25.000 USD threshold, it changes from 70 dev - 30 MS (the same way that Apple store does it) to 80 dev - 20 MS.

Forth, why is Valve complaining? How much of the developer's revenue they are taking when selling games through STEAM? They are doing the same thing and now accusing MS of "locking" the platform just to defend themselves?

Reod said:

TLDR : Some peoples are voicing concerns that MS is jealouse of apple store and will try to do own "MS store" in future OS's.Apple is doing that on own made devices but if MS is planning that on devices they dont even make its kinda utterly BS.

Oh really? Did you hear about Microsoft Surface? It's a device and it's made by MS.

[Sirnaq]

synd said:

M$ aren't going to forbid Steam/Blizz store/Origin/GoG or w/e comes to your mind.
Valve and Blizz are scared that people won't bother installing extra software or visit a website, follow steps and so on, when they can just open the future integrated Windows 8 store.
Marketing aside, Win8 is greater than Win7. Performance-wise is way better, the UI is also improved for good, the Metro UI start screen is actually 10 times faster to use than the Win7 start menu. It's way easier to find what you're looking for instead of clicking through windows. For example if you want to find a specific file in Win7, you need to open an explorer window or windows search and then wait for a long search. That's not a concern in Win8, just hit the windows key and start typing. Can't be easier!

And last, about Linux as an alternative to Win8. No, Valve/Blizz don't promote it or help the development of Linux. If they did so, they'd lose a lot of money. Remember how Blizz banned everyone who was playing D3 on Linux? Yeah, cool supporting there. ›››

Performance wise i agree, but metro ui is complete garbage and thanks god that we have working classic shell that brings back useful features even from windows xp.


compared to this unintuitive time and space wasting mess

[Aver]

Sirnaq said:

Performance wise i agree, but metro ui is complete garbage and thanks god that we have working classic shell that brings back useful features even from windows xp.

compared to this unintuitive time and space wasting mess

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I haven't tried W8 yet, but looking at your screen shots I would say that W8 looks way more intuitive. I don't use 'All programs menu' in start menu at all because it is completely mess.

[▫ Dona ▫]

Aver said:

I haven't tried W8 yet, but looking at your screen shots I would say that W8 looks way more intuitive. I don't use 'All programs menu' in start menu at all because it is completely mess. ›››

I agree. I use desktop icons the most, which is exactly what Metro emulates with the app list.

[synd]

Sirnaq said:

Performance wise i agree, but metro ui is complete garbage and thanks god that we have working classic shell that brings back useful features even from windows xp.


compared to this unintuitive time and space wasting mess
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You're actually wrong. How is the first picture better than a well organized start menu that has everything you need in the center of your screen instead of going through many columns just to get to a single application. And to make your example more accurate instead of heavily favoring you, let's post the appropriate Metro Star Screen instead of the Apps metro screen
http://i.imgur.com/suQmY.png

[gregski]

Sirnaq said:

Performance wise i agree, but metro ui is complete garbage and thanks god that we have working classic shell that brings back useful features even from windows xp. ›››

Well, yeah, because all you have to do in W8 is start typing to find the app you need, you don't even have to click or scroll.

Plus, what synd posted.