[Glaroug]

I have tried and tried to give Celina the ring of Immortals only to have her end every attempt mauling Gerlat's face. I know there a few topics on trying to give her the ring and nothing happening, but I could not find anything for my situation other than one or two entries mentioning this as a hopeless case as of an earlier patch (1.3). I am wondering if this is in fact a Bug, or is Celina just unsavable? I remember from my first play through having the option to give her the wreath or not, but I had chosen to save Abigal so Dandelion, Alina and Celina were present. For this journey, I let that murderous harlot burn so I had to seek Celina out.

This quest also brought up a couple other questions:

1. Apparently giving Abigal over to the village was "spilling innocent blood". What?!...What?! That bloody choice took me ages to make, even though its my second time play through. Innocent of the accused crimes or no, I hardly believed her conscious to be lilly white. To call it innocent blood though...what?!

Furthermore, what kind of person offers sex when there is a lynch mod outside and a small boy in the room?

2. What was with that confusing flashback to burning Abigal? He talks about no getting involved but then mentions something about an exception...but to what exactly? Did he regret killing Abigal? Did he feel he could have prevented Alina, Celina AND Adam's death? If anyone could explain that a bit better it would be great.

[Guy N'wah]

Whether you think Abigail was innocent or not, the healer at Murky Waters thinks she was innocent. The NPCs in this game do not give a spoiled spud for what you think, or how long you agonized over your decision, or how good you think your reasons are. If they don't agree, they don't agree, and they're going to act accordingly.

As to the flashback, it shows he doubts he did right, but I could not tell just from the words whether it is more to do with Abigail's lynching or his inability to save Adam. I think you have to go with the images of the lynching to see how he thought of his decision. By relying solely on his training, he allowed a greater evil to be committed.

I think Celina is unsaveable in the case where you let Abigail be lynched. That decision put a big crimp in your ability to lift curses.

[Glaroug]

Thanks for the helpful reply mate. Glad to hear its not a filthy bug. Now that you mention it, how could I have expected Geralt to left Celina's curse if he could not have lifted Alina's.

In handing Abigal over to the villagers, Geralt was NOT getting involved (that is, he was not stepping in or interfering with local "law", though I use that word loosely and would hardly consider a mod o angry villagers with pitchforks as such). He stepped aside and let local justice...er...verdict?...take its course. However, if the Lady of the Lake is to be believed, this execution by wretched and wicked men, people haunted by the Hellhound just as much as Abigal (I saw those echinops in your yard, I hard what you did to that girl Mikul AND Abigal, I know what you did Priest!) was indeed "spilling of innocent blood"--at least, as you mentioned, in her eyes. BUT if Geralt broken from the path layed out for him at Kaer Morhen and "interfered just once" (or something along those lines, and spared Abigal, the lesser of the Evils in others eyes, he would have been able to save Alina in another way, one that did not call for someone to make the ultimate sacrifice. Doing so could have allowed Geralt to save Celina as well.

I wonder just how deep the spilling of this "innocent" blood goes...hmmm...Adda...to chapter V!!!

I had no idea allowing Abigal to be killed would affect Chapter IV like this (or at all).

[Guy N'wah]

This case is unusual, because it is one of the few times Geralt is willing to concede that he may have done wrong.

Many of the other choices and consequences are minor or expected, such as the impossibility of pleasing both Triss and Shani. Or Geralt rationalizes his action as removing a great danger or saving many lives. But this one really hits you over the head.

I think Celina's responses are still bugged: if you lift her curse, she does not thank you; if you fail, she does not curse you in return. But I believe the outcomes are still as intended.

[Corylea]

I've never let the villagers lynch Abigail, so I've never played that path. But the Witcher Wiki seems to think that you can save Celina via the wreath of immortelles even if you have failed to save Abigail.

[dragonbird]

Glaroug said:

I had no idea allowing Abigal to be killed would affect Chapter IV like this (or at all). ›››

Real life. How could you possibly have known? So you made the decision you thought was right at the time, and it turned out to have unfortunate consequences. You, and Geralt, may wish things had turned out differently, but life goes on.

[Corylea]

Glaroug said:

Furthermore, what kind of person offers sex when there is a lynch mod outside and a small boy in the room?

Someone who's desperate for help, someone who needs Geralt to save her life and who is trying to get him on her side. She doesn't know him well enough to understand that a verbal appeal would probably work better, so she's trying to recruit him as an ally using something that she believes will get him on her side.

There's a situation in one of the books that's a lot like the lynch-mob scene at the end of Chapter 1. In the book, Geralt believes that staying out of it makes sense and will help him live longer, but he can't do it; he feels compelled to intervene. I had thought that since the story of TW1 happens five years after the last book ends, that there was nothing in the books that would apply to it one way or another, but that was incorrect. It looks to me as if saving Abigail is very nearly canon.

[Guy N'wah]

Corylea said:

I've never let the villagers lynch Abigail, so I've never played that path. But the Witcher Wiki seems to think that you can save Celina via the wreath of immortelles even if you have failed to save Abigail. ›››

According to GameBanshee, this was an early that was fixed in the EE. But I don't know of any firsthand confirmation that says "If you left Abigail to the villagers, Celina no longer attacks when you try to give her the wreath." Very few players take the "let Abigail be lynched" path.

[Glaroug]

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Someone who's desperate for help, someone who needs Geralt to save her life and who is trying to get him on her side. She doesn't know him well enough to understand that a verbal appeal would probably work better, so she's trying to recruit him as an ally using something that she believes will get him on her side.

Absolutely, but that doesn't make innocent. For all I know/Geralt knew but forgot, her sweet words are just a way at manipulation, that is, its Renfri and Blaviken all over again.

BUT back to Cynthia.

I DID manage to save her ^^, but only after leaving the fields and "killing" her. It seems that you must first complete Heat of the Day. After speaking with Julian Geralt will mention he has not found a way to save Cynthia yet (I did not talk to him before and complete the quest because I thought that would make Cynthia disappear). After seeing the Lady of the Lake and getting attacked (I told you to leave no defend yourself!) by Berengar, I found the Nightwraith walking in the fields and was able to give her the Ring of Immortals.

But seriously Berengar! "Boo-hoo I didn't have a choice". Yeah, and those kids you kidnapped and subjected to mutagens did? Come on!! You claim to have been a victim just like them and here you are doing it to others. Remember Geralt's anger at those trying to take Ciri? I hardly imagine Geralt's answering with "I don't intened to judge you". He certainly did not tell that to the Priest from Chapter I that after claiming he too had no choice because they would have killed him. No special treatment for you Beregnar.

Returning to Celina
So I guess its very similar to when you first meet Alina in the fields and have to "kill" her. Doing so will allow Celina to be approachable AFTER leaving completing Heat of the Day. I am not certain if this is exactly correct but it did work.