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The Politics of The Witcher 2. Part 3: The War for the Pontar Valley


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06.05.2012 @ 22:05 #21

trybald said:

Also, I recall that in the Witcher 1 one of female bystanders in the Trade Quarter remarked that "the sorceress Philippa Eilhart is in town". When I think about it, it seems likely that she was suspecting where Radovid was and was trying to locate him to cut short his plans. ›››


Sounds familiar. It is very possible.

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Personally I don't think the presentation ruined anything. In my mind, it's still vague and ambiguous, regardless of what Geralt can think.

But imo, the issue is much bigger and much more interesting than whether he was really guilty or not. That point became more or less inconsequential.
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06.05.2012 @ 22:35 #22

KnightofPhoenix said:

Personally I don't think the presentation ruined anything. In my mind, it's still vague and ambiguous, regardless of what Geralt can think. ›››

I don't know if I agree - it felt like exposition, and as most other such cutscenes are just that, I'm finding it hard to read into it that CDPR intends for the "truth" to be left unknown; I felt they gave it to us there, plain and simple.

KnightofPhoenix said:

But imo, the issue is much bigger and much more interesting than whether he was really guilty or not. That point became more or less inconsequential. ›››

This is very true, though! When you're faced with that choice, you don't really stop and think "Is he guilty or not?" but rather what it would entail if he (a prince) was allowed to be lynched by a group of angry peasants. Oh, the speculation on the ramifications this would bring! It's obvious that it is not what Saskia would have wanted, and a lynched prince at the hands of commoners, would most likely cause severe problems for the intended Free Pontar, down the road.
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07.05.2012 @ 12:27 #23

A very interesting read KnightofPhoenix, really enjoyed it. I suspect most people dont pick up on the more subtle political aspects of the game (me being one of them!), so having someone with good knowledge on such things break it down helps a lot. I especially love how you make references to historical events/figures.

The most surprising thing of all for me, is the fact that you made me like Saskia even more. I dont know how that's possible, but you did it. You just made the game that much better :).
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07.05.2012 @ 15:25 #24

Haha glad to hear that. Saskia is a great and interesting character.

Thanks, it means a lot to me if I was able to make people enjoy the story more.
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13.05.2012 @ 12:29 #25

A thorough well articulated post, Knight. Definitely a very interesting and enjoyable read, and it gives a perfect picture of the factions involved in the Pontar War event.
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14.05.2012 @ 17:49 #26

In my first Iorveth run I spared Stennis because I was unaware Saskia was leading a separatist movement and thought I was just supporting Aedirn. >_>
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15.05.2012 @ 15:37 #27

Chewin3 said:

A thorough well articulated post, Knight. Definitely a very interesting and enjoyable read, and it gives a perfect picture of the factions involved in the Pontar War event. ›››


Thank you :)

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Even if you are supporting Upper Aedirn, killing Stennis is too dangerous. The human mob, if left out of control, wants to kick the dwarves out of their own city.Once they taste blood and power, mobs are almost unstoppable.
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15.05.2012 @ 16:24 #28

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Even if you are supporting Upper Aedirn, killing Stennis is too dangerous. The human mob, if left out of control, wants to kick the dwarves out of their own city.Once they taste blood and power, mobs are almost unstoppable.


They could have showed that in the cutscene. I thought Stennis was expendable due to Philipa not caring, and the epliouge videos in the end not showing.

I think if Saskia is still controlled and spared, order can be restored.
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15.05.2012 @ 16:42 #29

Norlak said:

They could have showed that in the cutscene. ›››

It's all in the many conversations related to the plot. No need to expose everything, when good old dialogue can serve as a nudge for the player to realise the risks of letting a mob lynch a prince, like this.
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15.05.2012 @ 18:22 #30

Yep, it's already present in the dialogue.

One can't really metagame when making that choice. In context, I think killing Stennis is reckless and unwise, just like killing Henselt is.
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15.05.2012 @ 19:21 #31

Kindo said:

It's all in the many conversations related to the plot. No need to expose everything, when good old dialogue can serve as a nudge for the player to realise the risks of letting a mob lynch a prince, like this. ›››


It is in the dialogue. But the effect just goes away when you see a scene of Vergen being happy town xD

I was talking about the epilogue scenes though. Not an actual cinematic.

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Stennis seemed a bit a cross between Henselt and Demavend. Even if there is no mob, I think he would brew one up soon enough.

But that depends on the fate of Saskia really. Unless you don't really see a controlled Saskia doing any better than a uncontrolled one.
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15.05.2012 @ 20:22 #32

KnightofPhoenix said:

Thank you :)

@ Seb
Even if you are supporting Upper Aedirn, killing Stennis is too dangerous. The human mob, if left out of control, wants to kick the dwarves out of their own city.Once they taste blood and power, mobs are almost unstoppable. ›››


Yeah, I still spared him in subsequent Iorveth path runs since that Geralt of mine is a Saskia supporter ("That's not the justice Saskia fought for").
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18.08.2012 @ 05:30 #33

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09.09.2012 @ 23:34 #34

I read part 1, 2 & 3, and what an amazing job, KoP.

Reading your summaries just re-enforces why I love this game so much, are you planning on writing more?
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10.09.2012 @ 19:14 #35

I might, possibly about the nonhuman question. Or Temeria.

If you guys have any suggestions about what I should write about, I'd be more than happy to hear them out!
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19.09.2012 @ 22:15 #36

Not Witcher related, but what about your take on what a "perfect" rpg would be made of, and the elements of various games that have done it right.
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19.09.2012 @ 23:56 #37

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Not Witcher related, but what about your take on what a "perfect" rpg would be made of, and the elements of various games that have done it right. ›››


I fear that would be opening a can of man eating worms. I'll have to go into "what is an RPG", and how does gameplay fit into that. Sandbox vs story driven....etc.
It's bound to annoy others and myself.

But what I have been thinking of is writing a list of my top 10 set protagonists and top 10 antagonists in video games. It would be Witcher related, as Geralt is in my top 10 PCs and Jacques and Letho are my favorite antagonists.
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20.09.2012 @ 15:03 #38

Sounds good, expanding your previous piece on those two I assume?
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20.09.2012 @ 18:57 #39

Yea, writing different ones.
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29.09.2012 @ 23:30 #40

Can one of the story buffs here explain to me where the dragon at the end of Act III came from? Saskia was standing near the others the whole time but suddenly, out of the blue, a dragon swoops down from the sky. What was up with that? First I thought it was another one since Síle also called it by another name during my ascend to the top of the tower but later on Geralt called the dragon Saskia. I’m kinda confused here :<
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