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Poll: What are your thoughts on Mass Effect 3?

Poll: Your thoughts on Mass Effect 3 (96 member(s) have cast votes)

Gameplay and Story, what do you like and hate?

  1. Loved everything, the gameplay and the story, the ending was fine too. (26 votes [27.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.08%

  2. Loved the gameplay, hated the story, the ending in particular. (44 votes [45.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.83%

  3. Hated everything, the gameplay, the story, the ending. Everything! (26 votes [27.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.08%

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16.03.2012 @ 05:05 #41

Well, first of all, I'll say that I love Mass Effect and I have been playing it for years now. I love the universe, I love the lore, races, worlds, well I love SF in general and I love rpgs so... I love Mass Effect. And about 10 days ago, I started replaying Mass Effect 1 & 2, to get myself in the zone for the epic conclusion. Few hours ago, I finished playing Mass Effect 3... sigh. The game was good, at some points even great. Still action-packed, still cheesy at some points, but funny and emotional at others. And then, there was the ending... so f***ing terrible. I can absolutely agree with general fan score and opinion (http://www.metacriti...-3/user-reviews). To destroy whole saga just like that... it's just low. Very low. And cheap. And sad. I'm not going to do my own write-up just now, cause i'm too angry (and sad ...sigh), but i'll share this one (by Ross Lincoln and Phil Hornshaw) to sum-up my thoughts... and cause it's really nice write-up in fact.

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Many fans have been raging about the ending choices, the final cutscene and the implications of the Mass Effect universe after the end of Shepard. Some see it as the raging of entitled, whiny gamers who didn’t get enough sunshine and puppies in their ending, and expected Shepard to retire with Tali on Rannoch and creepy little masked babies. But the people who would argue that gamers are entitled and that BioWare’s creative integrity is preserved by the ending, however bleak, are — quite simply — wrong. It’s not about a happy ending; it’s about an ending that makes sense.

We think the fans are right. To prove it, we’ve analyzed the series’ lore, its moral and philosophical themes, the structure of the game itself, even BioWare’s own statements about the series. Here are 5 reasons the fans are right to hate Mass Effect 3′s Ending


5) Brevity

You have to hand it to BioWare. In nearly every way that mattered, they delivered a rich, complex experience for Mass Effect 3. Anticipation of the game’s finale is brought to a fever pitch by the incredible effort it takes to reach it. It almost defies belief, but after 2 previous games that each require close to 50 hours per character to complete, the scale of Mass Effect 3 almost dwarfs its predecessors. Over the course of game, Shepard – and the player – desperately tries to unite the galaxy behind his effort to defeat the reapers. As expected, you can condemn entire civilizations to destruction or save them, resolve centuries-old conflicts, wage massive battles. You may even play space cupid by helping Joker and Edi (and, it’s implied, Tali and Garrus) to hook it up before the final battle.

You’ll also visit every major planet in the galaxy, reveal the truth about Prothean civilization, watch as friends die, innocents are slaughtered, whole cultures are threatened with destruction. Every moment of the game feels a necessary part of the war effort, every decision feels critical, and as you begin the final mission, you actually feel the weight of 5 years of play, dozens of well-written friendships, and 15,000 years of galactic civilization are behind you. It’s a glorious accomplishment. And that accomplishment is completely undone as the story is wrapped up via a barely-interactive cutscene lasting less than 10 minutes.

That kind of terseness, in addition to just feeling cheap, also manages the particularly nasty trick of completely robbing players of closure. This is critical to understanding why the fanbase is so upset. It’s not just that players are forced to choose from one of three nearly identical endings. It’s not even that they are presented with each choice regardless of what kind of game they played, so long as their EMS rating was sufficiently high. It’s that the player is never given any sense of how the choice they ultimately made affected the galaxy they worked so hard to save.

Instead, they see one of 3 identical, context free scenes of the Normandy crash landing on a planet somewhere, followed by a nonsensical epilogue featuring a Grandfather and his grandson that almost seems to smugly imply that the gamers themselves were nothing but children who couldn’t fully understand these events. And adding insult to injury, they receive a message urging them to purchase DLC. We would never suggest that BioWare’s job is to be nothing more than an infodump for nit-picky fans, but after 5 years and hundreds of hours, Mass Effect 3 players deserved more than a text message urging them to buy more content.

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4) It is Confusing and Under-Developed

Of course, the ending’s brevity wouldn’t matter if it actually made sense. But the moment you’re struck by Harbinger’s beam, events lose structure, outcomes become preordained, new concepts and characters are introduced literally in the last seconds of play, and all of it free of any context or explanation. Granted, some of this is kind of trivial, like the fact that Anderson, despite having come up the Conduit behind Shepard, beats him to the secret Citadel control panel room. Maybe BioWare agreed to put Keith David in the final scene in order to make up for his absence during most of the game. It’s silly, but having Anderson in the final scene feels right, so it’s easily forgiven.

But the majority of the ending is an exercise in increasing incomprehensibility, beginning with the abrupt appearance of The Illusive Man. Without any warning, he just kind of… shows up in the control room with Shep and Anderson. It is never explained how this is even possible; there isn’t even a cursory “Shepard, as you can see, I planned to save Humanity by purchasing a penthouse here on the citadel. PEACE.”. Of course, we’ve known throughout the game that the Illusive Man has indoctrinated himself in a foolish attempt to control the Reapers. A comment minutes later suggests that the Reapers allowed him to arrive in a last ditch effort to either talk Shepard down, or kill him. Fine, we accept that.

But it’s the reveal of the game’s primary villain that ultimately cripples the end. It turns out to be a ridiculous AI whose visual representation is the young boy haunting Shepard’s nightmares throughout the game. It is never explained why this is the form he chooses; we don’t even get the courtesy of the “I chose a form you were comfortable with” cliche. The Citadel, the AI explains, is his home and he is the Catalyst needed to make the Crucible work. The AI then claims that he created the Reapers billions of years ago as a means of solving the problem of synthetic life forms killing their organic creators. The Reaper’s whole purpose is to save Organics by killing them, and turning them into synthetics. So that Organics won’t make synthetics who will then kill organics.

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Yes, this is exactly what he says.

This explanation for the entire history of the Mass Effect universe is the most precise example of all that is wrong with the end of Mass Effect 3. In essence, the player is told that everything they experienced has happened because it was going to happen, and will happen again. Making things worse, the player isn’t even provided with enough data or context for this to at least make some kind of sense. Instead, they’re simply baffled by events they cannot control, and left with far more questions than any “definitive” ending should have.

Mass Effect has long been held up as a shining example of a well-constructed, fully developed universe. Players are rightly unhappy to see it end as nothing but a series of forced choices justified by tautological platitudes.



3) Lore Errors, Plot Holes

Considering how short the ending of Mass Effect 3 actually is, it’s impressive that it could still manage to violate established canon while simultaneously creating holes in the plot bigger than The Illusive Man’s ego, but this is indeed the case, and it’s a source of serious criticism from the fan base. There is a huge debate currently underway among the fans about how much, precisely, is left hanging by the ending, and it will likely continue until either BioWare consents to create a new ending, or fans accept that they never will. We will focus on the three that are indisputable.

* The Mass Relays

No matter which of ME3′s endings you choose, the Mass Relays are all destroyed. Yes, despite the weakness of an ending that robs the galaxy of critical technology, the multicolored explosions (player choice!) are certainly pretty. But in The Arrival, it was firmly established that the destruction of a Mass Relay would result in an explosion resembling a supernova, destroying the relay’s star system. In Mass Effect 3′s ending, the Mass Relays are destroyed in explosions so massive that they’re depicted as being visible from a perspective that resembles the Normandy’s Galaxy Map. Which means that Shepard has probably killed more life forms than the Reapers could on their best cycle.

* Inferred Holocaust

But even if we assume that this time, the Mass Relay Network’s destruction was a completely different kind of explosion that didn’t wipe out hundreds of star systems, (that players are forced to fill in blanks like this is another point of contention, incidentally), even a relatively benign end to the Galaxy’s most critical technology suggests a terrible outcome: Everyone in the galaxy is stranded where they happened to be at that moment, including thousands of ships and millions of alien races now orbiting a ruined Earth.

It’s safe to assume that the fleets who travelled to Earth for the final Reaper battle were stocked with supplies, but with the Mass Relay network knocked out, they’re all basically stuck there. That ending’s not just bleak — it implies outright extinction. While the galactic races have access to faster-than-light travel, the relay network is what made moving about the galaxy possible. Even conventional faster-than-light travel means decades before any of those ships makes it home, or even to another star system. It’s more than safe to assume no one, not the Quarians, not the Turians, not the krogan, Asari or Salarians, no one is going see home again.

Unfortunately, the burned husk of Earth certainly can’t support the combined military forces of the galaxy. And remember folks, Turians and Quarians can’t eat human food anyway. The assumption then has to be that everyone scrambles to find a colony to support them, and/or they all die. In all likelihood — faced with starvation, the krogan slowly eat everybody.

* The Normandy’s Escape

This is probably the biggest WTF of all. As the Mass Relays explode, we see a short clip of Joker furiously scrambling in the Normandy Cockpit, followed by the Normandy barely staying ahead of the chain of explosions. Eventually, the Normandy crash-lands on a convenient, Earth-like jungle planet. Joker survives, and as he staggers out of the ship to see the new, presumably permanent home, he’s joined by members of Shepard’s crew. In almost every ending, these crew members include Shepard’s love interest and at least one person who joined Shep in his/her final push.

There’s just one little problem. At the beginning of the final mission, every single squad member travels down to earth with you. Whichever two you chose to accompany you to the Conduit are with you during the final push when you’re blasted by Harbinger. That blast nearly kills you and Anderson. It can only be assumed – again, the player is forced to fill in blanks – that your squad was also hit in the blast. Meanwhile, Joker remained in orbit around earth to take part in the final battle. So how did he A) manage to rescue your squad and B) get the ship to the Charon relay in time to outrun the explosion? The ending cutscene makes it clear that the explosions begin almost concurrently with whichever end to the Reaper threat you chose. So, did Joker chicken out and abandon his post along with your crew? Did the game suddenly introduce Transporter technology? Was it some kind of magical nonsense?

Who knows? BioWare certainly didn’t explain it. Which means that for the rest of time, players must end every Mass Effect 3 game knowing that Joker is probably looking at a Court Martial for cowardice.



2) Key Philosophical Themes Are Discarded

When bringing a beloved story to a close, it is inevitable that a creator will fail to please all their fans. Writing what you believe to be the natural outcome of the world you’ve created, regardless of how pleasant the experience is, will naturally cause people to fluster. Just ask any random person how they feel about “19 years later” and you’ll see what I mean. But when an author uncompromisingly ends their story as they see fit, yet still manages to honor the themes they’ve explored and the universe in which the story is set, love or hate the ending, you still respect where they went with it. When they fail to do so, it can make it impossible to enjoy revisiting that world.

This is what makes Mass Effect 3′s ending particularly galling. After years of forcing players to wrestle with surprisingly complex issues ranging from bigotry, sexual freedom, religion, political corruption and personal moral compromise – especially in the final game – it ultimately disregards all of them in order to force a tired twist ending on players who have seen far too many movies and played far too many games to be surprised. That the ending also requires the player to act contrary to their own actions as established by the series and even Mass Effect 3 itself is just bitter icing on a stale cake.

When trying to understand why players are outraged, here are some of the series’ key themes that are entirely jettisoned in service to a gimmick.

* Tolerance and Unity

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Arguably, the overreaching thrust of Mass Effect from the first moment you meet Shepard to the landing of forces from all over the galaxy on Earth is tolerance. Humanity has worked to find its place in the galaxy, overcoming old prejudices to work forward toward a common future. Each game has Shepard putting aside the issues of his crew with one another and with him in order to get a job done, and everyone is better for it. While Shepard can choose to take the side of one person or race over another in many instances, often condemning one side to destruction, the theme at work in all cases is one of finding a place in the universe among all the other races. Even if you choose to be intolerant, the very fact that tolerance or intolerance is the choice at hand builds on the theme.

The theme is extended even further throughout the games as Shepard brings together a team of various species who carry a lot of emotional baggage and problems with each other from a historical, cultural and racial standpoint. Unifying them, turning them from enemies to allies, is dealt with repeatedly in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2; by Mass Effect 3, it’s extending to include the entire galaxy. Shepard is literally solving long-standing problems of hatred and violence between several groups of people. He helps them learn tolerance, and later, unity.

The Illusive Man stands against these themes as a symbol of hatred and racism, pushing humanity backward and separating it. And the Reapers stand against these themes, unyielding in their belief that organic life must be wiped out/harvested/ascended/whatever. But where tolerance has always been an option in the games before, and has always been achievable before, it is discarded wholly in the end. There is no tolerance permitted among the Reapers or by the Guardian. And in fact, the synthesis ending dismantles the idea of tolerance and unity altogether by forcing homogenization on all the life in the galaxy, synthetic included. The control ending forces the Reapers to tolerate you, with the assumption that eventually, synthetics will ruin everything again through their lack of tolerance; the destruction ending, as the Guardian claims, will mean the eventual destruction by all synthetics.

Mass Effect continually asks “Can’t we call just get along?” and as Shepard, players can work toward that end for three full games. But the ending totally undoes your work toward galactic unity by undervaluing it, then throwing it out altogether, almost as though it were intended for another story. So what that the races of the galaxy have come to value and understand one another in a way never before possible as they unite against a common enemy: not possible with synthetics and organics, the Guardian proclaims. That’s just an immutable fact. So you’re forced to choose a solution that discards free will.

But the very fact that Shepard is where he is means he has already chosen a solution — unity; tolerance. In the end, Shepard is forced to make a decision that implies that unity, working together, tolerance on a galactic scale — the very things he has been working toward and accomplishing over the span of the entire game (and all three games, really), at every step — are inconsequential and in fact incompatible with the reality of the game’s story. Doesn’t matter how many alliances you broker or how much understanding you cultivate: it makes absolutely no difference.

* Synthetics vs. Organics

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To say that the Guardian’s assertion about the never-ending and inevitable battle between synthetics and organics comes out of left field isn’t quite fair. Plenty of times and in plenty of very large ways, we’e seen the creators and the created go to war with one another. Even though the ultimate evil of the game has always been the Reapers, the ultimate conflict has never been one of “machines bad, meatbags good.” And even if you want to argue that point in reference to the first Mass Effect, which was awash with bad guy AIs, the argument breaks down in Mass Effect 2 immediately with the mention of one word: Legion.

Legion immediately changes the synthetic/organic debate when you gain him as a character. Rather than furthering a Matrix-like view of a world in which machines eventually kill their creators, Legion proves that all forms of life can and do have value, and that it is absolutely possible for synthetic and organic life to co-exist peacefully. Throw in EDI from Mass Effect 3 and the debate changes radically again — now synthetic and organic characters aren’t just not killing each other, they’re actively hooking up of their own free will.

That doesn’t sound like a world in which the cylons are destined to nuke the humans. Mass Effect 3 even gives you a chance to redeem the quarians and the geth in their struggle and reunite creator and created, parent and child. These events, in the very same game, are fundamentally opposed to the philosophy of the ending and the themes it represents.

* Free Will and what it means to be alive

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One of the series’ strongest themes is an exploration of what it means to be a living being. This ties very closely the concept of free will, and both ideas are defined by contrast to the Reapers. Reapers see other beings as material resources, and their most insidious trick is that before destroying organic life, they rob it of independence. In Mass Effect, the struggle to maintain control over oneself at all costs, even if it means dying in the process, is an important concept. This is further developed in Mass Effect 2, first in Jacob’s loyalty mission ( his father is discovered to have used the side effects of an indigenous plant to turn female coworkers into sex slaves as a means of survival), and with Legion’s, where it’s revealed that the Geth are actually a complex people who simply want the freedom to go their own way without fear of being destroyed. This creates a moral environment in which the crew of the Normandy isn’t just fighting to save Organic life from evil machines, they’re actually fighting for the right to exist on their own terms.

These themes are escalated dramatically in Mass Effect 3. In the mission that can unite the Geth and Quarian, we actually see memories of the original Geth rebellion. The Geth, actually tried to stop the war, and only pushed the Quarians from their home system to keep from having to kill them. As if this wasn’t enough, there is even a moment when Legion says “organic life forms rely on hope to sustain them through periods of uncertainty. We admire the concept”. There’s also EDI, who having been unshackled in Mass Effect 2, is now able to inhabit a body of her own. Throughout the game, she explores the idea of existing as an independent person and even enters into a romance with Joker. Near the end of the game, she offers an extremely poignant summation of the difference between the races of the galaxy, and the Reapers. In essence, she concludes that the Reapers are selfish, and lack empathy, further that they are obsessed with self preservation at the expense of all else.

Both moments are riveting, and they appear to set up a final, brutal philosophical conflict three games in the making. Unfortunately, they do not matter at all. The concept of free will is alluded to, sort of, in the final conversation with the AI, but it has no bearing on any of the (identical) outcomes. Instead, much like the victims of the Reapers themselves, the player is robbed of all free will or even the chance to make the case for it. They must do as they are told, and choose.



1) Player Choice Is Completely Discarded

Finally, it’s tempting to claim that fans are simply suffering from a letdown caused by unrealistic expectations. Call it the Obama excuse — players simply got their hopes up and expected more than anyone could deliver, and ultimately, their anger isn’t at what BioWare created, but that they ascribed qualities to Mass Effect 3 of their own devising. BioWare failed to live up to the fantasy players concocted, and once those players get over that kind of childishness, they’ll realize how awesome the ending actually is. There’s only one problem with this assertion: BioWare’s long history of public statements about Mass Effect 3.

From the beginning, and especially as work progressed on Mass Effect 3, BioWare has made a lot of very specific promises about what players could expect. The vast majority of those promises concerned the very personal journey each player could expect; in short, the choices they made over the course of three very long games would have enormous impact over how their story ended. As recently as January, Casey Hudson was telling Game Informer that “This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff.” Even today, the official Mass Effect Site bears this message along the top of the page:

“EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME.”

As good as Mass Effect 3 is — and it really is an exceptional game in many important ways — the product BioWare ultimately delivered literally broke that promise, and that, more than anything else, is why fans are so angry.

It’s been said more than once that the “multiple” endings of Mass Effect 3 are too similar, but if you have played it, and you’re honest about it, you have to admit that similar doesn’t even begin to describe it. They are all functionally identical. Once players reach the Citadel, they are taken along a low-interaction pathway, engage in conversation with the Illusive Man that can only end with him dead if you wish to proceed further, and then have a conversation — with a very limited set of responses — with the AI child. This experience is the same regardless of your Shepard’s moral alignment, and regardless of the decisions you made to get to this point. The AI does not alter his dialogue if you kill the Geth, he doesn’t offer different justifications if you spared the Collector Base; he does nothing different.

And then, you are given the same three choices, choices that you must accept even though none of them fit with anything Shepard would ever have done at any previous moment in the entire series. Whether the choices succeed or fail depends solely on your Effective Military Strength score, and nothing else. And once made, the only difference between them is a slightly different cutscene, and a different-colored explosion. And that’s it. The game ends at this point, and aside from the Normandy crash-landing, and the weird old man talking about “The Shepard” — and don’t forget the crass DLC pitch — the player never once gets to see how any of the choices they made affected the galaxy, or how the lives of people they touched continue, or don’t, after the war.

In short, players are provided with nothing remotely close to the unique, personal experience they were promised.

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We know, we know. BioWare doesn’t ‘owe’ anything. It’s their game, after all and presumably they released the product they thought should be released. But BioWare has always had a strong relationship with its fans. Casey Hudson even said 2 weeks ago that fans helped write the game. That’s part of the reason this push for a new ending even exists. If the company cares at all about the legacy of their otherwise beautiful series, or about their relationship with the player community – and we think they do – they ought to at least acknowledge that fans are not happy with things as they are, and why. And as of this posting, they have not offered any kind of statement on the matter

The fans don’t want to scrap the bleakness for some kind of enforced happy ending. They don’t want to replace one linear experience with another. What they want is the chance to experience the game BioWare explicitly advertised and for which they paid a substantial sum of money. They want to see how their unique experience plays out to the very end, and if they choose, to start over and make a completely different set of decisions just to see what happens that time. Ultimately, it’s BioWare’s call, but it couldn’t hurt for them to very carefully listen to what that community is saying, and seriously consider working on some calibrations.
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16.03.2012 @ 05:19 #42

One thing all three Mass Effect games have absolutely nailed is pacing. Think about it: you have your combat sections, and then your down time on the Normandy or Citadel, chatting with people. Then its off to blow shit up again. This works really well. the original game is so bloody engaging and so well paced, that at the end you feel like you've spent 40 hrs when its really only a 25-30 hr game tops. But damn if they don't get choice and consequence bit right, or plot complexity, or character motivation. All of these are the domain of The Witcher.

To those leery of trying the game, I have to say it does indeed incorporate much of what made ME1 great. It's a more organic and expansive game than ME2 was. But then I haven't got to the end yet...
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18.03.2012 @ 14:42 #43

Gameplay was very good, especially when I compare it to ME1&2. But I played ME series mainly for characters and story.

Characters disappointed me slightly. I preferred characters from ME2 (Jack, Zaeed, Grunt, Mordin) and they focused on characters from ME1. They are good too, especially Garrus and Tali, but there is lack of less "nice", rough characters like Zaeed, Jack or Wrex. I would prefer more variety in that matter.

Story was ok until the end. Story in whole series was based on solid facts and was logical (even tho there was some minor plot holes) and then suddenly they show us illogical, metaphysical ending without any solid facts. It's just like they mixed endings from Matrix and Deus Ex. I seriously believed that there is something more behind the story than conflict between synthetic and biological life forms. I always was think "nah, they won't make another Matrix". I guess I was wrong.

Before ending this game was for me 4/5. After ending it was 3-/5.
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18.03.2012 @ 17:36 #44

I'm on the final run. In the end, when I chat with my crew before heading out to no man's land, Bioware finally manged handle drama effectively. The part where Liara shares her memories is touching. Too bad they had to be so hamfisted with it earlier in the game.

....so I just finished. Jesus that sucked. I'm gonna go cry in corner now.
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18.03.2012 @ 20:39 #45

So I'm about 20 hours in right now, doing all side missions and scanning every planet possible. And I'm having a blast. Might be the "honeymoon period" with the game speaking, but as of now its awesome.

Only complaint is having to play the multiplayer if I want the best endings and not scan all planets/maximize war assets. Seriously, that sucks because only 1 of my friends is capable of running the game.

Also: Garrus confirmed for the best character of the series.
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18.03.2012 @ 20:53 #46

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Also: Garrus confirmed for the best character of the series. ›››


For me he wasn't. But he was good.

Also I was amazed by this game too. Until last 15 minutes. Then, I literally regretted that I played it. It ruined whole series for me. :(
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18.03.2012 @ 21:20 #47

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For me he wasn't. But he was good.

Also I was amazed by this game too. Until last 15 minutes. Then, I literally regretted that I played it. It ruined whole series for me. :( ›››


Come on. The talk at the highest point of the Presidium, the bragging battle with Vega and having the most useful combination of powers at his disposal. Plus he got that sexy Turian voice and facial scars to look tough. What's there not to like :D

Liara is also surprisingly well developed. I used to hate her, now she climbed the popularity ladder pretty quick.
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18.03.2012 @ 22:16 #48

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Come on. The talk at the highest point of the Presidium, the bragging battle with Vega and having the most useful combination of powers at his disposal. Plus he got that sexy Turian voice and facial scars to look tough. What's there not to like :D ›››


I like him, but I prefer characters with flaws, that are not perfect. I like sometimes to think about my companion "What the fack are you doing?" or "Sorry pal, but you are wrong". But it's not the case if we are talking about Garrus. He is flawless, he is funny, cool, he is great friend that always is right and he even looks cool. It's not bad, but I like something different. ;)

Unfortunately there one "flawed" character in ME3 (James) and he sucks. It disappointed me because now characters talk much more during missions. I would love to hear angry and rough comments of Jack or selfish and reckless phrases of Zaeed and Krogans.
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21.03.2012 @ 00:55 #49

Mass Effect 3 was fucking epic until the last 10 minutes of the game...


The last 10 minutes with the annoying Star Child and everything after that totally ruined everything...


Mass Effect used to have great replay value. But now with this ending I don't see the point in replaying the game with a different character with different decisions. Such a shame. :(
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21.03.2012 @ 00:58 #50

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I like him, but I prefer characters with flaws, that are not perfect. I like sometimes to think about my companion "What the fack are you doing?" or "Sorry pal, but you are wrong". But it's not the case if we are talking about Garrus. He is flawless, he is funny, cool, he is great friend that always is right and he even looks cool. It's not bad, but I like something different. ;) ›››


You clearly have never played Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2.


If you played the previous games, you know how flawed Garrus is/was. He used to be pretty damn renegade in the first 2 games. He was even consumed by anger, vengeance and hatred in Mass Effect 2. He was desperate to kill the man who betrayed him. I wouldn't call that perfect or flawless.
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21.03.2012 @ 10:54 #51

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You clearly have never played Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2.


If you played the previous games, you know how flawed Garrus is/was. He used to be pretty damn renegade in the first 2 games. He was even consumed by anger, vengeance and hatred in Mass Effect 2. He was desperate to kill the man who betrayed him. I wouldn't call that perfect or flawless. ›››


Lol, I played them twice ;). Killing someone who is responsible for death of 11 friends is not something unusual. He would be weird if he would not care about revenge. And let's be honest you just have to ask him to not kill him and he won't kill him.

On other hand no matter what you say to Zaeed he will blow up refinery with people inside anyway. And even later he is angry on you that you wanted to stop him, and he chills out "just for a sake of mission". ;)
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21.03.2012 @ 15:02 #52

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Come on. The talk at the highest point of the Presidium, the bragging battle with Vega and having the most useful combination of powers at his disposal. Plus he got that sexy Turian voice and facial scars to look tough. What's there not to like :D


Yup, Garrus is the ultimate bro. And he went from bro to a "total bro!" when he showed signs of leadership capabilities and knowledge in politics (though a bit vaguely).

Aver said:

I like him, but I prefer characters with flaws, that are not perfect. I like sometimes to think about my companion "What the fack are you doing?" or "Sorry pal, but you are wrong". But it's not the case if we are talking about Garrus. He is flawless, he is funny, cool, he is great friend that always is right and he even looks cool. It's not bad, but I like something different. ;)


Oh, so you don't like people who are 'better' than the protagonist :P

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On other hand no matter what you say to Zaeed he will blow up refinery with people inside anyway. And even later he is angry on you that you wanted to stop him, and he chills out "just for a sake of mission". ;) ›››


Well you know, (almost) everyone wants to follow "AwesomeShep" for no reason...
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21.03.2012 @ 15:54 #53

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Oh, so you don't like people who are 'better' than the protagonist


I just don't like "perfect" characters. It doesn't matter if it's protagonist or side character ;). For me "perfect" protagonist is even worse thing. ;P

For an example I like Roche much more than I like Geralt. ;)
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21.03.2012 @ 16:45 #54

Aver said:

I just don't like "perfect" characters. It doesn't matter if it's protagonist or side character ;). For me "perfect" protagonist is even worse thing. ;P

For an example I like Roche much more than I like Geralt. ;) ›››


Are you saying Geralt is "perfect"? Or did I misunderstand your post?
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21.03.2012 @ 17:28 #55

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Are you saying Geralt is "perfect"? Or did I misunderstand your post? ›››


I didn't meant it. I wanted to say "I don't mind liking side character more than main character".
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21.03.2012 @ 18:04 #56

Aver said:

I didn't meant it. I wanted to say "I don't mind liking side character more than main character". ›››


Ah, yeah I understand. I can basically agree on that. I usually prefer the Lancer to the Hero.

Lancers are often much deeper and much cooler characters than heroes. Lancers are often less cliché and more down to earth than heroes, especially if the hero is charismatic leader or the chosen one.


I wonder... who is Geralt's lancer? Before you answer: I've only played The Witcher 1, not yet The Witcher 2, so no big story spoilers please.
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21.03.2012 @ 18:08 #57

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Mass Effect 3 was fucking epic until the last 10 minutes of the game... ›››


I beg to differ. Some moments were epic on a micro scale. But the idiocy that is Cerberus and TIM (in addition to other idiots like Udina), and how weak and utterly boring the Reapers are made the macro picture boring throughout. The ending just added shit to the mix.
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21.03.2012 @ 18:27 #58

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I beg to differ. Some moments were epic on a micro scale. But the idiocy that is Cerberus and TIM (in addition to other idiots like Udina), and how weak and utterly boring the Reapers are made the macro picture boring throughout. The ending just added shit to the mix. ›››


Well, from a narrative point of view, Mass Effect 3 was not very strong. The over-arching plot of Mass Effect 3 is in fact fairly weak. But damned does BioWare know how to create an aesthetic universe! I loved every single inch of the Mass Effect universe so far and Mass Effect 3 does not disappoint in that section. The universe of Mass Effect felt more alive than ever before.

But in my opinion, the same can be said about Mass Effect 2. The plot in that game was also pretty mediocre. The only Mass Effect game with a very decent plot is the first Mass Effect, the very first game in the trilogy. I loved the story and plot in the first Mass Effect.

I guess the reason why ME1 had a better plot and story is because back then Drew Karphyshyn was still the one and only lead writer. During Mass Effect 2, Mac Walters replaced Drew and from that moment the series went down-hill in my opinion.


Still, Mass Effect 3 delivers when you want an epic space opera with lots of action and breath-taking moments. Mass Effect 3 seriously does not disappoint in that section.
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21.03.2012 @ 19:41 #59

Since BioWare wants to screw people over who don't play multiplayer, I decided that save game editing is acceptable since there was no way in hell I would be able to get 4k Effective Military Strength. I got 3325 without any cheating.

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21.03.2012 @ 20:11 #60

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