[Mister Mida]

slimgrin said:

Go on the BSN...man the devs are spiteful. They blame the fans, off handedly of course, but they always blame the fans in some capacity. I wonder if toiling in EA's iron grip has left them fatigued. Ray and Greg jumped ship for a reason, and I suspect it's only a matter of time before the ship sinks. ›››

I'm not going back there. As long as I've been there, people who criticised ME2 were labeled hipsters, ME (1) fanboys or what not. ME3 brought out even more crap by the silly fan theory called IT. No point for me going there. For now, ME is done, and dead.

[Costin Moroianu]

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The individual developers, including lower-grade writers, do what they're told by the senior people. That's the way that companies work. There were also indications at one point after the ME3 debacle went public that those senior people were NOT interested in input from "the team", and that it was a top-down management/design style.

The indications were related to the ME3 ending where it was just Hudson and Walters making all the decisions, I've read quite a bit on the subject from Bioware writers themselves and the way they write stories is that each writer has his own segment that he or she creates it and then they talk with all the other writers ( which didn't happen for the ending ) and make changes, and improve it overall through that.

So I hold all the writers accountable for the shitty state of their games, not for everything story wise because there were choices made that they were forced to accept ( The Qunari, Orsino boss fight if you side with mages and so on ), but for the most part it was they as a team who decided what to do story wise and they fucked up.

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There're things that I do blame the junior staff for, including unprofessional comments in BSN, but the games themselves are the fault of the senior designers and the management.

Considering what I just said above that is true for the ME3 ending, and perhaps the whole art choices and gameplay choices ( and I say perhaps ) but it does not apply for most of the writing.

[dragonbird]

OK. In that case, I accept your argument, at least for DA2 which was crappy all the way through.

[Costin Moroianu]

I'll concede the point that ME3 has some very good moments, but here's the thing every writer was responsible for something good and something very bad.

Say for instance the writer for Mordin in ME3? He also wrote the Traynor romance with that retarded shower scene in it.

The writer responsible for Liara's Vigil scene ( one of the most memorable moments in that game ) was also responsible for Samara and her story arc in ME3, and it was bloody horrible.

EDIT: The only guy who did not do this was John Dombrow, who wrote the Genophage storyline in ME3, Wrex, Garrus and Javik. As in he wrote the very best parts of the story and wasn't involved in anything completely idiotic although he did wrote some VERY questionable things as well ( such as Eve, and how Javik got in ME3 ) and some bad stuff also, but none of it matches the other crap in the games so I guess you could say he sorta get's a pass, but he still was involved in those other crappy moments so meh.

[Seboist]

Mister Mida said:

I'm not going back there. As long as I've been there, people who criticised ME2 were labeled hipsters, ME (1) fanboys or what not. ME3 brought out even more crap by the silly fan theory called IT. No point for me going there. For now, ME is done, and dead. ›››

The IT loons have been defacto exiled from BSN. The mods have banned all threads dedicated to it.

[~Fandango~]

ME3 was solid for the most part but that ending was straight up offensive and more than enough to kill my interest in the IP. Such a shame.

[cyberarmy]

Seboist said:

The IT loons have been defacto exiled from BSN. The mods have banned all threads dedicated to it. ›››

Which proves IT.


OMG i have been infected, shoot me

[Mister Mida]

Seboist said:

The IT loons have been defacto exiled from BSN. The mods have banned all threads dedicated to it. ›››

If even BioWare themselves are sick of it, maybe there is still some logic and reason on BSN. Not gonna risk it, though.

[Mister Mida]

cyberarmy said:

Which proves IT.


OMG i have been infected, shoot me /> ›››

*loads shotgun*

Okay. Outside, boy. Come on.

[KnightofPhoenix]

~Fandango~ said:

ME3 was solid for the most part but that ending was straight up offensive and more than enough to kill my interest in the IP. Such a shame. ›››

I'll say that Tuchanka and Rannoch were good, as well as some side quests.
But as far as the main plot is concerned, it was weak from the get go, and the game started fumbling downhill after Thessia.

[Costin Moroianu]

KnightofPhoenix said:

I'll say that Tuchanka and Rannoch were good, as well as some side quests.
But as far as the main plot is concerned, it was weak from the get go, and the game started fumbling downhill after Thessia. ›››

I'd argue nowadays that the resolution to Tuchanka and Rannoch and to the various characters we cared about in these plots was quite solid ( baring a few exceptions like Legion ) but there were major problems even there ( like Cerberus launching an assault on Sur'Keesh and almost winning! )

Even so considering the fact that I replayed ME2 over 15 times and ME3 only 3 times ( and the third was me rushing it in a narrative difficulty just to have a char ready for the EE ) is quite telling.

[~Fandango~]

KnightofPhoenix said:

I'll say that Tuchanka and Rannoch were good, as well as some side quests.
But as far as the main plot is concerned, it was weak from the get go, and the game started fumbling downhill after Thessia. ›››

Aye, the Genophage story arc was brilliantly handled and played out in a way that gave us real variety and agency. Certainly one of my series highlights. The rest of the game....not so much!

[dragonbird]

Just when you think that EA must have run out of feet to shoot themselves in, they find a new one.

[gregski]

dragonbird said:

Just when you think that EA must have run out of feet to shoot themselves in, they find a new one. ›››

They score 2 on one day!

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[Aditya_the_warrior_within]

I was surprised to see this thread pop out. I finally voted now the first option, ME3 was a very good and one of the finest games there, despite its flaws. After the extra cutscenes and all, the ending is 'fine' not necessarily super awesome, but that does not mean horrible (which it was before that)

and saw the simcity bug crap, EA is really pathetic -__-
the deadspace one however I did not know of, I fear what will happen when Crysis 3 comes out!

[Seboist]

The only thing I liked about Tuchanka and Rannoch were the sabotage sub-plot and Shepard finally being able to say the Quarians should have wiped out the Geth during their uprising.

Other than that,they were filled with a lot of derp, retcons and character inconsistencies.

[Sirnaq]

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EA really is fucking evil company, abusing franchises till they can't fuck them anymore then killing dev teams that originally created them. That said mass effect3 was weak game, clearly rushed and unfinished product. I bet EA close bioware in 1 or 2 years from now, same with visceral games.

[Pangaea]

Cases like the above "beta" shows the corporate culture in that vile cesspool of a company. Disgusting. It also shows why ideas like Steam is beyond horrible.

[dragonbird]

And yet another shot in the foot for EA.
"We struggled with two challenges: the slowdown that impacted the entire sector and poor critical and commercial reception for Medal of Honor Warfighter. Medal of Honor was an obvious miss. The game was solid, but the focus on combat authenticity did not resonate with consumers. Critics were polarized and gave the game scores which were, frankly, lower than it deserved."

They really need to get their act together. Everyone knows that EA think that way, but really? Saying it out loud in a press release? Did anyone stop and think for one minute what the response to this kind of statement would be?

[Pangaea]

There was an interview with the BW "doctors" the other day. They didn't say it directly, but it seemed to me they were getting increasingly fed up after EA bought them. Lost the passion, as they said.

It's become a shit industry where sales are more important than the product you sell, and the tool to sell is over the top marketing. I hope CDPR never reach that point, and that they can still keep the focus on making great games, and if that results in good sales too - great.