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[EPILOGUE] Ending cutscene / cinematic discussion
28.02.2010 @ 20:48 #841
I'm convinced it's a renegade (non-mutated) Witcher... or... :hmmm: ... at any rate a new chapter of corruption opens
I can see what you see not, Visions milky then eyes rot.
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
05.03.2010 @ 21:40 #842
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huh? Too vague?
Salamandra made mutants using witcher secrets. Order of the Flaming Rose made mutants using witcher secrets. Its fairly Black and White--
The stolen secrets of Kaer Morhen are... NO LONGER A SECRET! Seems plain to me, the word is out!
Salamandra made mutants using witcher secrets. Order of the Flaming Rose made mutants using witcher secrets. Its fairly Black and White--
The stolen secrets of Kaer Morhen are... NO LONGER A SECRET! Seems plain to me, the word is out!
Good call, thats what i thought when i beat the game. no way is that other witcher Geralt...and it leads nicely into assassin of kings.
30.03.2010 @ 09:55 #843
AGREE WITH:
Witcher secrets no longer secrets
Alvin = Grand master of the order.
I only played the game once, I give Alvin to Shani just cus triss was like only looking for Vizima and not for the kid life. I ally with the non humans and I wonder if we ally with the order all the way why will have to fight the grand master in the end? I mean if we are with the order why fight?.
Why Alvin did all that I dont know, The assassin is not Geralt, but was no witcher neither, cus didnt fight or use any magic or else, was just showing the eyes of someone that was using mutagens, but what took Geralt by surprise I think was only that, seen the eyes of what he used to familiarize with witchers only.
Ok the start was with Geralt been alive after supose be dead, The spirit told him he was bring again to live by him, and was wth the only purpose of doing his dirty work, Like Death sing his as a champion of its own cause. but was only to stop grand master alvin and he told Geralt that his nature was to kill that he was always a servitor and bringer of death.
Ofc we had to start from zero cus what will e the point of an RPG game is we start as great Geralt of Rivia? no point. the amnesia was very usefull, and was like in KOTOR about you been also amnesic and with false memories but you were in fact revan, almost the same here, you had amnesia just to help you develope. and dont cry about kotor spoiler... kotor has been out for almost 7 years.
Love the game, I hope the new game TW2 keep the same spirit or better.
Witcher secrets no longer secrets
Alvin = Grand master of the order.
I only played the game once, I give Alvin to Shani just cus triss was like only looking for Vizima and not for the kid life. I ally with the non humans and I wonder if we ally with the order all the way why will have to fight the grand master in the end? I mean if we are with the order why fight?.
Why Alvin did all that I dont know, The assassin is not Geralt, but was no witcher neither, cus didnt fight or use any magic or else, was just showing the eyes of someone that was using mutagens, but what took Geralt by surprise I think was only that, seen the eyes of what he used to familiarize with witchers only.
Ok the start was with Geralt been alive after supose be dead, The spirit told him he was bring again to live by him, and was wth the only purpose of doing his dirty work, Like Death sing his as a champion of its own cause. but was only to stop grand master alvin and he told Geralt that his nature was to kill that he was always a servitor and bringer of death.
Ofc we had to start from zero cus what will e the point of an RPG game is we start as great Geralt of Rivia? no point. the amnesia was very usefull, and was like in KOTOR about you been also amnesic and with false memories but you were in fact revan, almost the same here, you had amnesia just to help you develope. and dont cry about kotor spoiler... kotor has been out for almost 7 years.
Love the game, I hope the new game TW2 keep the same spirit or better.
30.03.2010 @ 20:42 #844
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I only played the game once, I give Alvin to Shani just cus triss was like only looking for Vizima and not for the kid life. I ally with the non humans and I wonder if we ally with the order all the way why will have to fight the grand master in the end? I mean if we are with the order why fight?.
Jacques de Aldersberg as the Grandmaster of the Order spoiled his rank for his insane vision. Many members of the Order believed him including Siegfried. If you play the game again and join the Order's side you will see how Siegfried response to the real de Aldersberg, who was the initiator of the Witcher's secrets theft and he created his army of mutants.
And... welcome on board, Caotico69 :beer:
I can see what you see not, Visions milky then eyes rot.
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
31.03.2010 @ 07:11 #845
I think that these witcher-like assassins are from Nilfgaard and they are someting like special agents that perform assassinations of national importance :) I don't think that the assasins had anything to do with the mutagens from Kaer Morhen and Salamandra because it'll take them at least several weeks to complete the mutation, time that they didn't have.
19.10.2010 @ 06:13 #847
Agree with Alvin = grand master. Else they should have explained what happened to alvin when he teleports and you dont see him again.
By doing it this way they make you think and connect the dots, really cool, best rpg I have played in my life, I enjoyed it like a thousand times more than Dragon Age Origins, dunno why they give better reviews to that one. The Witcher is far superior :D
This will be the first RPG in my life that I will replay from start to finish
By doing it this way they make you think and connect the dots, really cool, best rpg I have played in my life, I enjoyed it like a thousand times more than Dragon Age Origins, dunno why they give better reviews to that one. The Witcher is far superior :D
This will be the first RPG in my life that I will replay from start to finish
19.10.2010 @ 11:46 #848
And... I'm sure this RPG you will at least once again just to see how everything changes when you take an other path ;-)
Have fun!
Have fun!
I can see what you see not, Visions milky then eyes rot.
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
When you turn they will be gone, whispering their hidden song.
Then you see what cannot be, shadows move where light should be.
Out of darkness, out of mind – cast down into the Halls of the Blind…
17.11.2010 @ 01:23 #849
For me the most important parts are Salamandra asking the King of Redania for support.
Berengar saying he sold himself for experiments
and the most important being Berengar telling Geralt that he exposes his crotch during defense and Geralt saying it was from an old wound preventing that movement; but he had other ways of defending it. Coupled with the assassian using that same fault to drop Geralt causing Geralt to throw the bag of gold to distract him.
Must be Berengar clones from Redania!!!!!!!
Berengar saying he sold himself for experiments
and the most important being Berengar telling Geralt that he exposes his crotch during defense and Geralt saying it was from an old wound preventing that movement; but he had other ways of defending it. Coupled with the assassian using that same fault to drop Geralt causing Geralt to throw the bag of gold to distract him.
Must be Berengar clones from Redania!!!!!!!
22.11.2010 @ 00:30 #850
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Must be Berengar clones from Redania!!!!!!!
*laugh* Good one!
And you're right, Salamandra could have used Berengar's already-mutated DNA for something. That's an interesting hypothesis!
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22.11.2010 @ 08:35 #851
If that was the case we would have been fighting an army of Berengars and not hideous mutated knights in the Epilogue. For some reason I feel Nilfgaard will have to play an important role in the assassinations. These might be witchers from Nilfgaard. While we love your hero, Geralt, it's true most witchers will do nearly anything for money.
In suspended animation.
16.12.2010 @ 12:51 #852
Agree with Alvin being the Grand Master. That came across fairly overt towards the end. And when you start connecting the dots or loose ends it makes good sense.
I have a suspicion the assassin is operating on orders from Redania or Nilfgaard. I've only played through once so don't remember exactly the details towards the end of the cutscenes, but didn't the possible alliance between Temeria and Redania fall apart? So it's not inconceivable that the Redanian king, described as pretty brutal and expansionist, would want to kill of Foltest too and expand further. Seems very plausible the more I think about it.
Berengar had kinda turned "bad" in this version, so it's certainly possible another witcher does the same and tries to kill the king. I don't believe the young Geralt theories or something along those lines. A story like that would suck really hard. The universe is bigger than just Geralt after all, or what we saw in TW.
Greatly looking forward to TW2. Though I probably need a better graphics card as my 7900 GS probably can't handle it very well. Some of the videos I've seen look very promising.
I have a suspicion the assassin is operating on orders from Redania or Nilfgaard. I've only played through once so don't remember exactly the details towards the end of the cutscenes, but didn't the possible alliance between Temeria and Redania fall apart? So it's not inconceivable that the Redanian king, described as pretty brutal and expansionist, would want to kill of Foltest too and expand further. Seems very plausible the more I think about it.
Berengar had kinda turned "bad" in this version, so it's certainly possible another witcher does the same and tries to kill the king. I don't believe the young Geralt theories or something along those lines. A story like that would suck really hard. The universe is bigger than just Geralt after all, or what we saw in TW.
Greatly looking forward to TW2. Though I probably need a better graphics card as my 7900 GS probably can't handle it very well. Some of the videos I've seen look very promising.
21.12.2010 @ 02:36 #854
Glad to see I'm not the only one the ending confused....
I'm going with Alvin being the Grand Master but who the assassin was is beyond me. The theory that the assassin was trained at another witcher school makes the most sense but its seems the writers fro this game were hanging out with Hideo Kojima a bit too much towards the end lol.
Clearly the developers didn't give us enough information and hopefully have the decency to explain what was going on in the next game. After 2 years of having saved games scrapped due to HDD's getting virus' I was quite happy to finish the game. One of my favorite RPG's and one of the best of this generation. Now if they could just fix the crashing issues and the awful invisible walls (oh noes I can slay a 400 pound monster tank of doom but that 2 foot high fence is too high for me to walk over) the game would be as close to perfect as I could ask for. Cheers to the sequel being awesome!
I'm going with Alvin being the Grand Master but who the assassin was is beyond me. The theory that the assassin was trained at another witcher school makes the most sense but its seems the writers fro this game were hanging out with Hideo Kojima a bit too much towards the end lol.
Clearly the developers didn't give us enough information and hopefully have the decency to explain what was going on in the next game. After 2 years of having saved games scrapped due to HDD's getting virus' I was quite happy to finish the game. One of my favorite RPG's and one of the best of this generation. Now if they could just fix the crashing issues and the awful invisible walls (oh noes I can slay a 400 pound monster tank of doom but that 2 foot high fence is too high for me to walk over) the game would be as close to perfect as I could ask for. Cheers to the sequel being awesome!
22.12.2010 @ 07:47 #855
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Agree with Alvin being the Grand Master.
Was that EVER in contention? :)
Sure. I mean, it's the Internet; the tinfoil hat crowd is always with us. :-)
But even aside from the tinfoil folks, I don't think that Alvin is the only possible choice for Grandmaster. Depending on how far back in time Alvin went, Jacques de Aldersberg could well be Alvin's son, which would explain how the GM would know all about Geralt and have the amulet and all those things while still not feeling like Alvin.
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24.12.2010 @ 00:26 #856
Hello everyone.
I just registered, cause I've red some of the ideas users put into this thread and I must say, I am truly shocked by some of them, especially those expressed early on. I admit I haven't red them all (lack both time and nerves for that), and I admit the late ideas seems much more reasonable, so probably someone, somewhere inside the part I haven't red made some clarifications, but I would like to put a thought or two here.
I just finished "The Witcher EE" first time, so my feelings are still pretty fresh. Here we go:
1. I have no doubt Jacques is Alvin, the dwimeritium amulet plus Alvin's jump over time and space (as he is Aen Hen Ichaer, just like Cirilla in books) never let me thought otherwise and I'm pretty much surprised someone can be confused here. And when I've red someone thinks it's Emhyr var Emreis, nilfgaardian emperor, I was literally rotfl'ing. Emhyr, whom king Foltest, king Radovid, entire Temerian/Redanian intelligence and probably a big part of Temerian/Redanian nobles have seen at least once in their lives, yet no one recognized him? That's brilliant, really ^^
2. The asassin is clearly a witcher: eyes, reflexes, potion belt etc. Different combat style (different than Kaer Morhen origin?), different preferred weapon (In Kaer Morhen, Vesemir is always teaching witchers how to use one-and-a-half handed sword, simply called "witcher's sword" in game) and not using signs (doesn't feel it's necessary or simply don't know any?) shouldn't block the conclusion that it's a witcher from outside Kaer Morhen, trained differently. The fact that a place like this is not mentioned in any book doesn't mean it doesn't exist; in fact, the idea about him being mutated using stolen witcher's formulas is linked to the game main plot, and besides the short time period to be able to preform such mutation (someone accurately pointed it out earlier) it's quite a good idea. Now: no, the assassin doesn't look like Lambert (for me, not a bit), and no (another rotfl here) it's not Geralt "from the future". The only characters able to make time travels in Sapkowski's world are some most powerful Aen Seidhe's (elven mages) and Aen Hen Ichaer's (Alvin from game/Cirilla from books). Really, Geralt is not one of them ;-)
3. Despite the good story and a bit mysterious ending which I admire, I am greatly disappointed by the fact my romance, on which I was working during at least 3 game acts, wasn't even mentioned in the ending. I am really aware of old Geralt's lack-of-normal-emotions problem, which doesn't allow him to live a normal life, but come on! The old Geralt (from books) had a dream to have a normal family with sorceress Yennefer, and the new Geralt (after reanimation) seems to have the same dream in-game. Why in gods name should the game allow us to start a romance without a way of ending it successfully? IMO designers should have figured out a less frustrating way of informing players about Geralt's emotional problems ;-)
Overall, I'm proud CD-Projekt created the game both professionally designed, and worthy of my favorite childhood hero, Geralt of Rivia.
ps. where (better yet: when) did U guys saw the "snake amulet", worn by the assassin? I haven't noticed it...
I just registered, cause I've red some of the ideas users put into this thread and I must say, I am truly shocked by some of them, especially those expressed early on. I admit I haven't red them all (lack both time and nerves for that), and I admit the late ideas seems much more reasonable, so probably someone, somewhere inside the part I haven't red made some clarifications, but I would like to put a thought or two here.
I just finished "The Witcher EE" first time, so my feelings are still pretty fresh. Here we go:
1. I have no doubt Jacques is Alvin, the dwimeritium amulet plus Alvin's jump over time and space (as he is Aen Hen Ichaer, just like Cirilla in books) never let me thought otherwise and I'm pretty much surprised someone can be confused here. And when I've red someone thinks it's Emhyr var Emreis, nilfgaardian emperor, I was literally rotfl'ing. Emhyr, whom king Foltest, king Radovid, entire Temerian/Redanian intelligence and probably a big part of Temerian/Redanian nobles have seen at least once in their lives, yet no one recognized him? That's brilliant, really ^^
2. The asassin is clearly a witcher: eyes, reflexes, potion belt etc. Different combat style (different than Kaer Morhen origin?), different preferred weapon (In Kaer Morhen, Vesemir is always teaching witchers how to use one-and-a-half handed sword, simply called "witcher's sword" in game) and not using signs (doesn't feel it's necessary or simply don't know any?) shouldn't block the conclusion that it's a witcher from outside Kaer Morhen, trained differently. The fact that a place like this is not mentioned in any book doesn't mean it doesn't exist; in fact, the idea about him being mutated using stolen witcher's formulas is linked to the game main plot, and besides the short time period to be able to preform such mutation (someone accurately pointed it out earlier) it's quite a good idea. Now: no, the assassin doesn't look like Lambert (for me, not a bit), and no (another rotfl here) it's not Geralt "from the future". The only characters able to make time travels in Sapkowski's world are some most powerful Aen Seidhe's (elven mages) and Aen Hen Ichaer's (Alvin from game/Cirilla from books). Really, Geralt is not one of them ;-)
3. Despite the good story and a bit mysterious ending which I admire, I am greatly disappointed by the fact my romance, on which I was working during at least 3 game acts, wasn't even mentioned in the ending. I am really aware of old Geralt's lack-of-normal-emotions problem, which doesn't allow him to live a normal life, but come on! The old Geralt (from books) had a dream to have a normal family with sorceress Yennefer, and the new Geralt (after reanimation) seems to have the same dream in-game. Why in gods name should the game allow us to start a romance without a way of ending it successfully? IMO designers should have figured out a less frustrating way of informing players about Geralt's emotional problems ;-)
Overall, I'm proud CD-Projekt created the game both professionally designed, and worthy of my favorite childhood hero, Geralt of Rivia.
ps. where (better yet: when) did U guys saw the "snake amulet", worn by the assassin? I haven't noticed it...
24.12.2010 @ 09:04 #857
On romance, though I agree with was a bit frustrating to not see anything happen, I was also pleased it ended in a different way than all the (recent) Bioware games. Life doesn't often have a Hollywoodyan film ending, and it's nice that the game reflects this. I'll also be very surprised if we won't see romance in one way or the other in TW2.
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24.12.2010 @ 10:33 #858
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On romance, though I agree with was a bit frustrating to not see anything happen, I was also pleased it ended in a different way than all the (recent) Bioware games. Life doesn't often have a Hollywoodyan film ending, and it's nice that the game reflects this. I'll also be very surprised if we won't see romance in one way or the other in TW2.
According to the devs yes there will be romance in TW2 but that it`s more cinematic. So i guess i`ll wait and see what they have in store for me. Only 6 mo. to go
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