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05.11.2011 @ 16:21 #1

I love the story, the writing, the choices. Maybe to many cut scenes but I like it. I can understand the some of the players want to make it more difficult and that is fine. For me, I like it easy. I am 47, I work for a living and I don't want to come home and do more work. For me, the story is good enough. Most of the game I should be able to get through just using the mouse and a few tough scenes where I use one letter and the mouse. And what the hell is Kayran? Killing it isn't good enough? You want me to push a button as fast as I can. What does that prove?
I love the story. Love to read the pro's and con's on making choices. Love the details. Helps me chill after work. Would love to hear any thoughts or comments. :wallbash:
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05.11.2011 @ 16:25 #2

Halebean said:

I love the story, the writing, the choices. Maybe to many cut scenes but I like it. I can understand the some of the players want to make it more difficult and that is fine. For me, I like it easy. I am 47, I work for a living and I don't want to come home and do more work. For me, the story is good enough. Most of the game I should be able to get through just using the mouse and a few tough scenes where I use one letter and the mouse. And what the hell is Kayran? Killing it isn't good enough? You want me to push a button as fast as I can. What does that prove?
I love the story. Love to read the pro's and con's on making choices. Love the details. Helps me chill after work. Would love to hear any thoughts or comments. :wallbash: ›››


Play on Easy.

Go to Options and untick Difficult QTEs.

Enjoy one of the best games to come in years. :welcome:
Do you hear the voices too ?!?
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05.11.2011 @ 16:26 #3

Are you saying the game is too hard? I'm a little confused. If so, then be sure to level up Quen, the shield spell. Even on the easy setting though you'll have to think carefully about how you upgrade skills and buy gear. If you want, go to Nexus and there are mods that make the game even easier, like blocking with no penalty to vigor.
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05.11.2011 @ 19:05 #4

bowman said:

Play on Easy.

Go to Options and untick Difficult QTEs.

Enjoy one of the best games to come in years. :welcome: ›››



Thank you, and as usual for me, found some other tips from previous frustrated players. Will try to post a copy and see if someone else can finish kayran.
Thanks again!
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05.11.2011 @ 19:12 #5

Oh yes the Kayran battle ( sweating horribly ;D ) i remember that all too well i had trouble killing that son of a ..... i think the button pushing was made to test our nerves :D


I was not smiling then but i am smiling now because ever since that FINAL moment when i actually beat that thing since then it just haven't been so difficult to beat that thing again :clap:
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05.11.2011 @ 19:26 #6

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Are you saying the game is too hard? I'm a little confused. If so, then be sure to level up Quen, the shield spell. Even on the easy setting though you'll have to think carefully about how you upgrade skills and buy gear. If you want, go to Nexus and there are mods that make the game even easier, like blocking with no penalty to vigor. ›››



What I am trying to say is easy should be easy. The third or fourth try should be automatic completion. There was a time when I would have enjoyed figuring out how to complete that but now I just like reading and figuring out what kind of person would be like Io or Zoltan or Cedric. As far as mods, I have no idea how to make them work. Have tried with mutagens since at level 10 I still can't add even one mutagen. Have not found a cookedpc, and tried to add one but that didn't work. Thank you for the tips!
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05.11.2011 @ 19:34 #7

Here is a link to cheat mods at Nexus. Download and review the read me file for instructions. Usually you open up cookedPC or another folder and drag and drop file there. One way to find cookedPC is to right click TW2 icon on your desktop, and select 'open file location'

http://www.witcherne...order=ASC&tags=
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05.11.2011 @ 20:21 #8

slimgrin said:

Here is a link to cheat mods at Nexus. Download and review the read me file for instructions. Usually you open up cookedPC or another folder and drag and drop file there. One way to find cookedPC is to right click TW2 icon on your desktop, and select 'open file location'

http://www.witcherne...order=ASC&tags= ›››



Thanks Slim! http://en.thewitcher...lt/thumbsup.gif
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05.11.2011 @ 21:58 #9

slimgrin said:

Here is a link to cheat mods at Nexus. Download and review the read me file for instructions. Usually you open up cookedPC or another folder and drag and drop file there. One way to find cookedPC is to right click TW2 icon on your desktop, and select 'open file location'

http://www.witcherne...order=ASC&tags= ›››

So, thanks to your help, I added the mods. My last save was an auto save going to kill kayran. So I thought I would get killed, then pick another save to find out if the mods worked or not. One mod was to change lesser mutes to reg. or greater ones, the other mod said I could add mutagens to any skill. Needless to say, I didn't try very hard because I wanted to see if those worked. And thats how I killed Kayran! (the key was not trying hard)
I still have lots of mutes but I haven't found a way to add one to the tree and the mystery merchant didn't have the diagrams to change 3 lesser to a reg.
So, thank you! THANK YOU! Thank You! :thumbsup:
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05.11.2011 @ 22:31 #10

The Kayran is easier if you use the Mongoose potion. Should be a simple matter of running around with Quen, lay a Yrden trap and then wait for the tentacle to come down. You shouldn't even really have to dodge in that case. As for the QTE, in general they aren't about speed but about maintaining a good rhythm. Clicking every half second steadily should do it.
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06.11.2011 @ 23:25 #11

Halebean said:

I love the story, the writing, the choices. Maybe to many cut scenes but I like it. I can understand the some of the players want to make it more difficult and that is fine. For me, I like it easy. I am 47, I work for a living and I don't want to come home and do more work. For me, the story is good enough. Most of the game I should be able to get through just using the mouse and a few tough scenes where I use one letter and the mouse. And what the hell is Kayran? Killing it isn't good enough? You want me to push a button as fast as I can. What does that prove?
I love the story. Love to read the pro's and con's on making choices. Love the details. Helps me chill after work. Would love to hear any thoughts or comments. :wallbash: ›››

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07.11.2011 @ 00:31 #12

I know what you mean. as somebody who is not very good at games. i just want a couple of hours of very easy gaming FUN, allmost all games are now too hard for my skill level not everyone is a super soldier, at the moment i am stuck fighting wraiths, have killed two out of twelve ? in a side quest in act one. i really hope to get past this point before i fold my keyboard in half. "always buy a cheap keyboard" , if i could find the fool who thought up QTE i would tar and feather the stupid stupid man. i managed to get almost all the way through wicher 1, as far as the fight against the ifrits and the granddmaster.well im thinking about that fight i like to save after some video not before, the kayran video seen it 8? 10? times already its just not fun. i don't want to run down the people at cdprojekt without the witcher i would have given up gaming last year, but the witcher 2 is that bit too hard for me and that makes me sad.
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09.11.2011 @ 20:36 #13

I just want to say that I am a bit disappointed and reason is just due to the fights; imo even the minor fights sometimes are vary difficult. I do not know why but for me the game lost fluidity and I just roll around and try to avoid this and that. I am stacked with first Letho fight and it really bores me to go down again and again. Smt like this, for me, takes all the coolness and great features this game has.
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10.11.2011 @ 01:25 #14

I do realize that combat for some is not very enjoyable in witcher 2 . If i may and it doesn`t upset you i suggest maybe taking a look at some of the mods available that may help you in your quest for a more enjoyable gaming experience . http://en.thewitcher...as-of-10292011/
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29.11.2011 @ 02:12 #15

OK,devs. The people have spoken. The Kayran is too hard for us old folk even on easy mode and no QTEs. Please stop worrying about the Euro, and make the Kayran a bit weaker. He IS sick after all...remember? :P
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29.11.2011 @ 10:41 #16

mysterbob said:

OK,devs. The people have spoken. The Kayran is too hard for us old folk even on easy mode and no QTEs. Please stop worrying about the Euro, and make the Kayran a bit weaker. He IS sick after all...remember? :P ›››


Imagine what it could do if it was healthy . :lol:
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30.11.2011 @ 06:49 #17

*Tommy* said:

I do realize that combat for some is not very enjoyable in witcher 2 . If i may and it doesn`t upset you i suggest maybe taking a look at some of the mods available that may help you in your quest for a more enjoyable gaming experience . http://en.thewitcher...as-of-10292011/ ›››

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My quest for a more enjoyable game experience begins with getting some actual GAME developers in here, rather than ENGINE devs. Combat WOULD be enjoyable if it worked as advertised. Currently, it doesn't, at least for boss fights. It's slow, cumbersome, and horribly unresponsive, especially if you use a gamepad (apparently). Add to that the broken difficulty curve crapping out overpowered bosses (Letho was the most BS fight I've EVER played, and I've been gaming since the Atari 2600!) and the game is much more frustrating than it should be.

A memorable boss fight should challenge a player to figure out the enemy's weaknesses and react accordingly with available skills/technology/items, all without making the player feel SCREWED (see X-Men Origins: Wolverine vs. The Sentinel for an example of an awe-inspiring boss fight that doesn't make you feel SCREWED). Sure you may have to play the scenario out a few times, but 40+ tries is excessive and screams for reevaluation. Because of the above reasons, and just plain poor design (it's blatantly obvious the designers expected the player to have selected a particular upgrade path before the kayran fight. If you didn't choose THEIR path, like me, the fight was FAR more difficult than necessary. That's called BAD DESIGN), TW2 doesn't come anywhere near to being enjoyable at several points in the game, and that's kinda what I bought the game for in the first place - To enjoy it, not to feel F'd over because the designer couldn't figure out how to make it challenging vs. frustrating. In it's current state, TW2's bosses are too fast, far too powerful, and, as in the case of the player, don't suffer from animation taking precedent over action (when a relatively slow enemy (kayran) can get in 3 full, separate attacks on me BEFORE my character can even recover from the first one (because the animation is so godforsakenly SLOW) there's a problem). QA usually catches these things, but apparently TW2 had little to no external QA (having the developer do their own QA never works). Any time you get MULTIPLE community postings about how F'd up a particular enemy/situation/inventory item is, you should probably take a closer look at it and maybe FIX IT.

A much as I loved TW1 (even before the EE patch, bad translation and all), for TW2 CDProject focused more on creating a damned fine rendering engine rather than a great gameplay experience. Too bad because, as usual, gameplay trumps graphics every time (an axiom that many developers will NEVER learn).
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30.11.2011 @ 07:38 #18

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Because of the above reasons, and just plain poor design (it's blatantly obvious the designers expected the player to have selected a particular upgrade path before the kayran fight. If you didn't choose THEIR path, like me, the fight was FAR more difficult than necessary. ›››


Sorry, but I really find this puzzling.

I've played the Kayran fight many times now on my own games, and I've also played it quite a few times for others who have had difficulties with the fight. At the time of the Kayran fight, the majority of players seem to be between level 8 and 10, which means you've got 6 Basic Skills and at most 3 on "specialties". I've played it several times with characters who only have two Vigor points, and this is really the only one where having extra points is useful - you don't need to have anything in swordsman, or enhanced Quen, and it's unlikely that many people would have enhanced Yrden, nor is it needed. There really is little variation at this point between one build and another.

I haven't played it with a gamepad, but there are plenty of other people who have, so I don't think that's the problem either.

So whatever is causing your problem is NOT design that requires specific character abilities. The game was designed to ensure that this particular fight was playable with almost any build.

It sounds as though you're having problems with lag, or with responsiveness. What framerate are you getting, and what are your specs? It shouldn't be this difficult, so it may be worth looking into your graphics setup.


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30.11.2011 @ 18:20 #19

Qft. To say the truth, fighting the demogorgon in Throne of Bhaal required me at least 10, 12...I cannot even remember. Not to mention the fight against Poison Ivy in Batman AA (to name one of the most recent games) or Azar Javed or the Beast in The Witcher 1.
Some boss monsters have to be hard and challanging or you would not enjoy the gameplay. This said, I know that the Kayran can be annoying (I found more annoying the dragon to say the truth) but it's more a matter of patience and luck. Don't think that I am that kind of hardcore gamer, coz I assure you I am not.

However, dragonbird has already gave you the most uselful advice: increase the vigor regeneration and take the Foot Work skill (increase the dodge distance or 100% at lvl 1) can do the trick. They both can make this fight a real joke.

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01.12.2011 @ 00:27 #20

Well, when I started Witcher 2, I had the sinking feeling of having made a mistake in buying it. I have slightly disabled hands and am not the youngest anymore (50+). I use a special keyboard to be able to even get through a working day. So...I started on easy but even so at the first qte (ballista) I was almost ready to just uninstall the game. In the end though, I persevered and I am happy about it. The story is totally worth it.

For some weird reason, I managed to get the keyran on my 2nd try. Don't ask me how I did that except for having Quen up all the time. My hands did need a break after that fight, though lol. The first fight with Leto was a matter of observation...he puts up Quen, does his thing where one should keep out of his way then Quen drops and he is open to attack from the PC until he can put up Quen again. If you pay attention to that the fight with him turns into a fairly easy fight.

The one thing I cannot do for the life of me is arm wrestling as my hands just won't play nice with the fine movements required but I can live with that...the fist fighting is just at the edge for my hands but I get through those by using a different keyboard for them and taking a break after each fight. I got around the qte difficulty by adding a 2nd mouse to the system; for some reason that slowed things down enough that even I can click my way through them.

There are almost always ways of solving problems and this game is good enough to invest a bit of time into solving them. I have just started my 2nd play through on normal though I already know I will need to drop back to easy for some things (eg. I took Iorveths path last play through and decided to free the women in the burning tower...it took me many, many tries until I managed to be fast enough to actually free them and not die in the flames myself :) )
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