[Freesia]

Dona╰☆╮ said:

I shouldn't have laughed at this as loud as I did. ›››

I´m sure he wouldn´t mind
Anyway I agree with Saintmagician. When elves mature and leave the family to live their own life - "normal" or flee into Scoia'tael comando, it´s very early comparing to the rest of their lifetime. Plus I don´t think they have the same family standarts as humans, meaning they tend to raise the children to be independent and strong as early as possible and not to bound to parents. At least that´s the way I´ve always imagined it.

[Arosus]

Freesia said:

Anyway I agree with Saintmagician. When elves mature and leave the family to live their own life - "normal" or flee into Scoia'tael comando, it´s very early comparing to the rest of their lifetime. Plus I don´t think they have the same family standarts as humans, meaning they tend to raise the children to be independent and strong as early as possible and not to bound to parents. At least that´s the way I´ve always imagined it. ›››

Sounds reasonable. And most likely elf parents don't need children to take care of them in the same manner as humans, who become frail and sick, do: I haven't seen old-looking elves so they probably don't have significant old-age problems.
But I don't know, would all of them leave their loved ones entirely behind?

[Freesia]

Arosus said:

Sounds reasonable. And most likely elf parents don't need children to take care of them in the same manner as humans, who become frail and sick, do: I haven't seen old-looking elves so they probably don't have significant old-age problems.
But I don't know, would all of them leave their loved ones entirely behind? ›››

In the witcher´s world (or practicaly in any fantasy world) the elves will never look old. It was nicely discribed in one of the short stories, it was the one where Dandelion gets his famous lute from Toruviel, The edge of the world I think... Anyway the elves there, they all look like humans in their twenties or early thirties - just young, but you could say according to their eyes and the way they were looking at things how very old they actually were.

But the major problem of the elves is that only a few of them is capable of having kids, apparantly. Iorweth mentioned that in one of conversations about Dol Blathanna with Geralt. But still I wouldn´t say they leave their loved ones behind, it´s still the human view of it.

[Arosus]

Apparently they aren't that attached to their parents then. I remember the Dol Blathanna conversation. I understood it the way elves become sterile after a certain age (like humans) but I'm not sure.. are some/many of them streile from the beginning, too?

[Freesia]

Arosus said:

Apparently they aren't that attached to their parents then. I remember the Dol Blathanna conversation. I understood it the way elves become sterile after a certain age (like humans) but I'm not sure.. are some/many of them streile from the beginning, too? ›››

Yes, I understood it the same way you did.
And that´s an interesting question. I´d say no, that it´s strictly a time problem, but what I know?
But still we know much more about elven family life than about for example dwarf version of it. We haven´t even seen a single dwarven woman!

[ver meer]

I'm marathoning an all books rereading (right now I'm at Tower of the Swallow or whatever is named in English) and just came up to something related to elven reproduction, lol.

It is said that elven women ovulate just once a decade or so (no wonder is hard for them to have children), BUT, if they have sex with a human male, some hormone intervenes drastically accelerating their period. Because of this, many elven women think that is virtually impossible for them to have children fathered by nothing but human men. The more you know

I never understood that elves are less attached to their children, really... they are 'human' too after all. It is mentioned, however, that elven society doesn't make difference between educating a boy or a girl (so non-sexist education is called 'the elven way').

About Iorveth's mother, I think that him talking in past tense implies that she is dead.

[Arosus]

Interesting information. There should be a theard for elves, so every bits of information could be found there and it wouldn't be necessary to hijack these threads

[Freesia]

ver meer said:

I'm marathoning an all books rereading (right now I'm at Tower of the Swallow or whatever is named in English) and just came up to something related to elven reproduction, lol.

It is said that elven women ovulate just once a decade or so (no wonder is hard for them to have children), BUT, if they have sex with a human male, some hormone intervenes drastically accelerating their period. Because of this, many elven women think that is virtually impossible for them to have children fathered by nothing but human men. The more you know

I never understood that elves are less attached to their children, really... they are 'human' too after all. It is mentioned, however, that elven society doesn't make difference between educating a boy or a girl (so non-sexist education is called 'the elven way').

About Iorveth's mother, I think that him talking in past tense implies that she is dead. ›››

Thanks for clarification in this matter.
I approve raising kids "the elven way" and I´m also for as few attechement to parents/children as possible. Is it mentioned in the book (correct translation by the way ) if elves enjoy sex as much as humans or they seek it strictly for reproduction as dryads for example? It´s a shame I don´t know, but it´s beeen some time since I read the books.

I´m sure it´s quite out of topics, but when we are at it...

[ver meer]

Dryads are perfectly capable of enjoying sex !! As Geralt said... it depends on the lover, of course.

Elves enjoy it too, there is no doubt about that. Both male and female elves find attractive traits in humans as sexual partners, mostly the urgency and passion due to human short lifespan (while elven women are ovulating endlessly, elven males are ploughing lustful human gals, haha).

I'd say that elves, who live long, are very slow paced and prone to feel bored of everything; that may include, eventually, sex. So they must find humans, which have literally no time enough to feel life-boredom, fascinating.

[Freesia]

ver meer said:

Dryads are perfectly capable of enjoying sex !! As Geralt said... it depends on the lover, of course. ›››

You´re absolutely right. I thought about the original book-dryads but even they could be (easily?) persuaded.

ver meer said:

I'd say that elves, who live long, are very slow paced and prone to feel bored of everything; that may include, eventually, sex. So they must find humans, which have literally no time enough to feel life-boredom, fascinating. ›››

That´s for a wish for very long live or even immortality...

[▫ Dona ▫]

So, I've been replaying Roche's path because I realised I remember very little of it. Turns out, I don't remember the ending of Act 2 at all and Act 3 is a big mystery to me :| I am at the very start of Act 3, so I'm going to take a short break and do a post on someone we don't see here often, but who deserves it: Vernon Roche.

I still feel indifferent about him, he is too distant and we don't learn shit. But then he starts kicking ass when his unit dies... maybe I'll finally start liking him in Act 3.





I should 'shop that to be his middle finger.


~let Roche's light guide you~


This place about to bloooooOoOoooWw


Then I do my little turn on the catwalk~ face


He is so enjoying that moment


I love how his face just changes after the murder


Best for last.

[siklara]

Dona╰☆╮ said:

Haha, yes! Makes me laugh every time :]

Here you go, Klara. Taking this screenshot turned out to be a pain, thanks to dynamic lighting and characters blinking when they want to. I ended up combining two screenshots because I just couldn't get the same amount of happy :C ›››

You're the most noble human I know. Thank you so much.

Oh lookie, an impressive Roche dump! If eyes could kill, we were already dead.

I still have stuff to post, enjoy:

The Blue Brothers
Candles
More candles
Geralt's graceful jump
He's no knight
'Scuse me sir, I'm here to castrate you
Iorveth - He's in your personal space, gaying it up

[saintmagician]

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I never understood that elves are less attached to their children, really... they are 'human' too after all. It is mentioned, however, that elven society doesn't make difference between educating a boy or a girl (so non-sexist education is called 'the elven way').

I know this is slightly off topic for a screenshot thread...

Just my 2cents on this. I don't think they are less attached to their children, even if their children eventually wonder off more.

Once again, we're back to talking about lifespans. If the average human lives for about 50 years. You reach sexual maturity when you are 15. Let's say you have kids between then and until about 25, and each kid would stay with you for about 15 years as it grows up. By then you're about 40 and in about a decade or so you'd be dead.

So essentially, a large proportion of your life is spent growing up with your elder family, and an even more significant part of your life is spent raising your children. And that doesn't leave much in between or after.

If we say that elves spend 15 years growing up with their parents too. Then an elf with a lifespan of 300 years spends about 5% of that growing up with their parents and maybe 5-10% of it raising their kids. All the other time, they are not dependent on their parents anymore and are not raising kids. I think they just have more freedom when they are not needed to be part of a family unit.

But... given their long lives, elves I'd imagine would have much longer relationships with others and their families. I don't think they'd be less attached to said family. But rather it'd just be more culturally acceptable to do drastically different things to your family, go to different places, etc.

[ver meer]

Ehm... I'm sorry, my native language is not English so I express myself very poorly. I do not think that elves are less attached to their kids than humans. I mainly agree with you.

In what you quoted, I was trying to say that I didn't get that idea from the books at all.

[saintmagician]

ahh, okay. It was just a little ambigious. I thought you meant you didn't understand why people thought elves are less attached to their children. So i was just trying to say, even if it seems that way, it may not be.

[Aditya_the_warrior_within]

awesome screenshots dona, 2 of the best moments of Roche path (killing you know whom)

and speaking of old elves, Iorveth is about 100 years ago, and in no way by his thinking, speech or any other angle I'd able to say hes more than 30-40. Funny he never mentioned of sex

[▫ Dona ▫]

Aditya_the_warrior_within said:

and speaking of old elves, Iorveth is about 100 years ago, and in no way by his thinking, speech or any other angle I'd able to say hes more than 30-40. Funny he never mentioned of sex

I'd say he's more like 150, since we know he's been fighting humans "for a century". And he does show some signs of aging, like graying hair and those nasty dark spots on his chest. But other than that, yeah, his face looks really young :]

Iorveth talking about sex would send fangirls into frenzy, lmao.

[siklara]

Dona╰☆╮ said:

I'd say he's more like 150, since we know he's been fighting humans "for a century". And he does show some signs of aging, like graying hair and those nasty dark spots on his chest. But other than that, yeah, his face looks really young :]

Iorveth talking about sex would send fangirls into frenzy, lmao. ›››

Maybe he's already like those sterile elders he mentions.

Jokes aside, we get to hear a lot that he's old, but he's probably not too old yet, otherwise he wouldn't call other elves sterile elders or Francesca Findabair an old hag. I think the spots on his chest only mean he doesn't take a bath regularly.

Does he have gray hair? I never noticed. (besides, I'm 24 and I've had gray hairs since I was a teenager so that doesn't really prove anything )

[Flet Iorwetha]

Dona╰☆╮ said:

I'd say he's more like 150, since we know he's been fighting humans "for a century". And he does show some signs of aging, like graying hair and those nasty dark spots on his chest. But other than that, yeah, his face looks really young :]

Iorveth talking about sex would send fangirls into frenzy, lmao. ›››

I think I started to regret that I have to be reasonable about my graphics settings. I've never seen Iorveth's hair going grey (not that we've seen much of his hair at all actually). I haven't even found a single grey hair on Cedric, and hardly any wrinkles, and he's supposed to be very old, 'even for an elf'. How old is he exactly? Well, younger than the forest, that's the only thing I can tell.

And that whole elven age thing strangely got me even more interested in Iorveth's mum. Like, how old she was when she had him, or when and in what circumstances she died. Or what she was like, generally.

And Dona, I'll try to pretend you've never written that last line of your post.


Edit: @Siklara about the dark spots - that bath they have there is seriously underused. I mean, it's been there the whole time only to be accidentally rediscovered by Geralt&Triss? It's a bit weird.

[▫ Dona ▫]

Well, my grandpa calls other old people old hags, so... He's probably not too old for an Elf, though. Iorveth, not my grandpa.

I think those are liver spots, but the fact that he should take baths more often stays. And yes, his hair is greying, although you have to open up the texture file, it's not visible in-game. I've had a streak of gray hair since I was a child, haha.

Texture in all its glory, look how nicely layered that hair is


Flet Iorwetha, you're right, Cedric doesn't look old. I'm looking at his textures right now and there are just a few wrinkles on his forehead and that's about it. Can't say anything about Iorveth since we cannot see his forehead :/