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PM I must admit I was not too happy about the story in the end. The game deals with some great issues – political intrigues in a deeply divided society, torn by racial conflict and complex relations with its neighbor, as well as the future of nonhumans and their place in the fast changing world. Also, lets not forget about Geralt – feared by some, respected by others, sometimes unsure of his destiny and role in the new world.
Not even to mention King of the wild hunt and other things clear only to those who read the books :)
And out of all these complex topics, in the end it was all about a time traveling kid who becomes an influential madman who, obsessed by doomsday visions, decides to create an army of genetically engineered super-humans? Bit over-the-top, no?
I mean, if Futurama taught us anything, it’s NOT to mess with time travel or you can become your own grandfather.
Or, if they wanted to go time travel way, they should have made Geralt find that amulet not on the grand master, but on the body of that assassin he kills in the ending movie.
Otherwise, great game, I really enjoyed it and want to use this opportunity to thank the people who made it. Great work!
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[EPILOGUE] Read only if you have finished the game *Spoiler alert*
02.11.2007 @ 06:14 #21
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02.11.2007 @ 13:03 #22
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On a slightly diffrent aspect of the end.. Is it possible to get a "happy" ending with Triss? Or at least one where they at least remain together?
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This was not explicitly stated in the game for me, but we 'sorta' remained together (I chose a different option, talked with Triss about founding a family, and... got quite a sarcastic tirade from her in response. At the end she said she loved me though, and then told me that those decisions will come after this is over, it's not the right time for it now, etc. - an that's about it.
Perhaps telling Foltest you are emotionally involved with Triss adds something more to this mini-story, but I didn't ;)
BTW, if you read the saga, you'll realise there is a person who was and still, *should* be very important to Geralt - who is missing from the story (well there are a few veiled references to her throughout the game). The whole "love affair" with Tiriss (or Shani) can't really be taken seriously then, it's not unlike Geralt to have sex, be friends with her etc. of course, but getting deeply invollved is something else ;). Then again, well, amnesia can be quite convenient at times - to story authors as much, if not more, than to a certain witcher ;).
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Other question? Did that female elf "Torviel" (or what here name was) survive? Was somewhat confused that she was suddenly gone, after the barricade action.
You are probably talkiing about pro-Sco'iatel ending, I can tell you that in the pro-order version [**minor spoiler**, don't read if you want to replay the game] ...
... Toruviel escapes from the village and then in act 5 White Rayla tells you that she Toruviel is dead (can't recall exactly whether she killed her herself, or just captured her and than the Elf was executed, think Rayla says something to that effect).
All in all I'll say I have found the final sequence od battles and the ending of the game, includng the outro, masterfuly done, they actually gripped me very hard and it was good to have a fitting ending to a great story (and that's in contrast to the Azar/Magister/Kikimore Queen sequence at the end of act 3, which I think was poorly implemented). In the end, there are a lot of 'loose ends' to the story but that can be a good thing (both in view of possible mods/additions/expansions to the game, or being able to arrive at one's own interpretation of the events ;-).
02.11.2007 @ 14:08 #23
Aye, I think the ending, was especially well done. I was totally caught off-guard, when I entered that cloister, you kill the guards and you enter that room filled with...saved townsfolk. The least thing I was expecting at that point. Then when Jacques invited Geralt to follow him, since he would like to show something. I still was in doubts, like having to face a mutated Alvin or even the Grandmaster himself, drinking a mutagen and turning into some uber mutant. I was even thinking if the Devs would go so far, too show me a mutated Shani or some other sinister view, rendering Azads words true. I wasn't expecting to be caught in a vision of the future, on a plain of ice, that turned out, being one of my most favourite places throughout the whole game (I am really looking forward to the white frost - devs, you have a lot to live up to! ;D ), in which the main villain tried to convince me to join his cause. It's really a sad thing that Alvin got corrupted in such a way (and we even played our part in it), but even in his corrupted state, there was still goodness in him, just underlying the full extent of his tragedy. It is kinda fitting, that only the lady of the lake's sword in fulfilling it's destiny seem to have been able to finally reveal to Alvin how he turned into, what he wanted to fight as a boy and that the witcher even at the end didn't know, who he had just slain, the boy, he so long imagined being a part of his... dream.
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Kamau Brathwaite
Kamau Brathwaite
02.11.2007 @ 18:20 #24
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It's really a sad thing that Alvin got corrupted in such a way (and we even played our part in it), but even in his corrupted state, there was still goodness in him, just underlying the full extent of his tragedy. It is kinda fitting, that only the lady of the lake's sword in fulfilling it's destiny seem to have been able to finally reveal to Alvin how he turned into, what he wanted to fight as a boy and that the witcher even at the end didn't know, who he had just slain, the boy, he so long imagined being a part of his... dream.
If there were some good in Alvin it was there becouse you told him the good things. I experimented witch dialogue options in Act IV and I'm quite sure that you can change grandmaster Jacques responses in frost realm. ex. If you tell the boy that love is stupid (after celina-alina action) and elves are bad (when they hold him hostage) he can become a real bastard that uses his power for personal glory, not for the good of the world. Kind of bastard that you kill with a smile on your face :D
02.11.2007 @ 18:42 #25
Interesting - I am just curious:
There was a small cutscene once you enter the cementary swamps involving Zoltan, you and the refugees, in which the Grandmaster made a short appearance and killed off that bunch of Archspores, that were blocking your way - Is he only supporting you at this stage, if you went for the "good" choices in the fourth act?
There was a small cutscene once you enter the cementary swamps involving Zoltan, you and the refugees, in which the Grandmaster made a short appearance and killed off that bunch of Archspores, that were blocking your way - Is he only supporting you at this stage, if you went for the "good" choices in the fourth act?
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Kamau Brathwaite
Kamau Brathwaite
02.11.2007 @ 19:25 #26
Well, here's a try at another take on the Grandmaster/Alvin deal
Could Alvin have been the Grandmaster himself, hidden under the illusion of a little boy (much as Azer Javed pretended to be the detective)?.There's never a time in the game, when Geralt interacts with both at the same time, is there? In the Epilogue, the Grandmaster repeats things that Geralt had said to Alvin, trying to convince him to join his cause, perhaps thinking that it's the best way to try to convince him to.
Now that would raise a few questions, unfortunately.
Firstly, why would the Grandmaster chose to intorduce himself (as Alvin) to Geralt so early in the story, even before he made it to Vizima? The answer could lie in the whole destinty talk.. etc if Lady of the Lake knew of Geralt's destiny and his important role in the unfolding events, perhaps a great mage like the Grandmaster, with all his visions and what not could know/feel it himself?
The second qestion is, wouldn't Triss have been able to see through such an illusion? Most likely yes but given that the Grandmaster was simply a much more powerful mage, perhaps?
Meh, this is gettng a bit contrived I guess.;( many more questions like these can be asked, not many satisfactory answers given.
Grandmaster controlling Alvin, yes that would be easier to explan, but... a lot of similar questions can be raised (why do that so early in the story again, what part of Alvins magical displays was natural and which was the reault of the Gradmaster influence? etc.)
Looking at Alvin and the Grandmaster in the game, it doesn't reallly seem plausible that a blonde, fair haired boy could turn into the black haired, guy that he is ;), time-travel or not. Then agan, if he did, I guess it won't be hard toconjure up a simple explanation of some sort, and all the other evidence seems to support it (the amulet looking the same but being worn from use, Alvin and Grandmaster both having visons, Alvin playing kill the Elf -> hence his hatred for non-humans, etc.)
Well if you have any arguments against Grandmaster being Avin the Time Traveller, please post them, so far I can see only one, i.e. the discrepancy in hair color (which is no big deal, I guess). At this point I am pretty sure it's what the game creators intended us to believe, and thinking back it fits the story very well.
Wanted to scratch this whole post, but since I've already written it, I'll figure I'll post it anyway. Sorry about my rambling ;).
Could Alvin have been the Grandmaster himself, hidden under the illusion of a little boy (much as Azer Javed pretended to be the detective)?.There's never a time in the game, when Geralt interacts with both at the same time, is there? In the Epilogue, the Grandmaster repeats things that Geralt had said to Alvin, trying to convince him to join his cause, perhaps thinking that it's the best way to try to convince him to.
Now that would raise a few questions, unfortunately.
Firstly, why would the Grandmaster chose to intorduce himself (as Alvin) to Geralt so early in the story, even before he made it to Vizima? The answer could lie in the whole destinty talk.. etc if Lady of the Lake knew of Geralt's destiny and his important role in the unfolding events, perhaps a great mage like the Grandmaster, with all his visions and what not could know/feel it himself?
The second qestion is, wouldn't Triss have been able to see through such an illusion? Most likely yes but given that the Grandmaster was simply a much more powerful mage, perhaps?
Meh, this is gettng a bit contrived I guess.;( many more questions like these can be asked, not many satisfactory answers given.
Grandmaster controlling Alvin, yes that would be easier to explan, but... a lot of similar questions can be raised (why do that so early in the story again, what part of Alvins magical displays was natural and which was the reault of the Gradmaster influence? etc.)
Looking at Alvin and the Grandmaster in the game, it doesn't reallly seem plausible that a blonde, fair haired boy could turn into the black haired, guy that he is ;), time-travel or not. Then agan, if he did, I guess it won't be hard toconjure up a simple explanation of some sort, and all the other evidence seems to support it (the amulet looking the same but being worn from use, Alvin and Grandmaster both having visons, Alvin playing kill the Elf -> hence his hatred for non-humans, etc.)
Well if you have any arguments against Grandmaster being Avin the Time Traveller, please post them, so far I can see only one, i.e. the discrepancy in hair color (which is no big deal, I guess). At this point I am pretty sure it's what the game creators intended us to believe, and thinking back it fits the story very well.
Wanted to scratch this whole post, but since I've already written it, I'll figure I'll post it anyway. Sorry about my rambling ;).
02.11.2007 @ 20:03 #28
That’s exactly the problem with time paradoxes.
So Alvin jumped back through time and became the Grand Master (GM). All this raises some points, which is exactly why I dislike time travel stories.
1. Grand Master knew the whereabouts of Alvin every step of the way, since he remembers his own childhood. However, he had every reason NOT to interfere with how the things progress. Any change in the timeline which would kill Alvin or prevent him from jumping back through time would change the present.
If for example, Grand Master found and killed Alvin (not that he intended), a paradox would occur: Alvin would not jump through time, and become the Grand Master. But since the Grand Master then wouldn’t exist, he would not be able to kill Alvin, which means Alvin would jump through time, which brings us to the beginning again.
2. But the main thing is: Geralt actually has no choice concerning Alvins destiny. Think about it. The reason Geralt gets involved in Alvins childhood is partly because the Salamander (working with GM) try to capture the boy, leading to his jump to Murky Waters. Any timeline in which Geralt would prevent Alvin from jumping back through time, would mean no GM, no threat to Alvin, and no reason for Geralt to interfere.
And all this brings us back to the old chicken and egg question.
In order to become the Grand Master, Alvin needed to get involved with Geralt, and jump back through time. But in order for all this to happen, Grand Master must already exist.
And yes, Im fully aware I watched too much Star Trek :)
So Alvin jumped back through time and became the Grand Master (GM). All this raises some points, which is exactly why I dislike time travel stories.
1. Grand Master knew the whereabouts of Alvin every step of the way, since he remembers his own childhood. However, he had every reason NOT to interfere with how the things progress. Any change in the timeline which would kill Alvin or prevent him from jumping back through time would change the present.
If for example, Grand Master found and killed Alvin (not that he intended), a paradox would occur: Alvin would not jump through time, and become the Grand Master. But since the Grand Master then wouldn’t exist, he would not be able to kill Alvin, which means Alvin would jump through time, which brings us to the beginning again.
2. But the main thing is: Geralt actually has no choice concerning Alvins destiny. Think about it. The reason Geralt gets involved in Alvins childhood is partly because the Salamander (working with GM) try to capture the boy, leading to his jump to Murky Waters. Any timeline in which Geralt would prevent Alvin from jumping back through time, would mean no GM, no threat to Alvin, and no reason for Geralt to interfere.
And all this brings us back to the old chicken and egg question.
In order to become the Grand Master, Alvin needed to get involved with Geralt, and jump back through time. But in order for all this to happen, Grand Master must already exist.
And yes, Im fully aware I watched too much Star Trek :)
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02.11.2007 @ 20:12 #29
@fall19
He could have been driven into a state of madness due to the visions, which after all was never intended to be a gift for those outside elven kin. This could very much change a person over the course of decades. Turn him desperate and into a fanatic. Seeing yourself as a Saviour is never a healthy character trait among mortals, I guess. We also don't know, if the teleport through time might have affected him in some way.
As for why Alvin might kill Geralt: The Grand Master was never hesitant to sacrifice innocents, or ppl that stood in his way, for a greater good (seeing how he recruited his mutants from the ranks of the flaming rose, the experiments carried out by Salamandra on kids etc. seeing how he reasoned that the end justifies certain means). In the path I followed, Alvin was trying to do his outmost to convice Geralt to join his cause, act as his right arm, to make his mutant minions understand, how to serve humans, protect them from what would await them, once they would undertake the big exodus into the southern regions.
Only at the very end, when Geralt remained unimpressed, he was confronting him, as being an obstacle to human survival.
@Tomalak
You know, this could also explain why White Rayla that gave her word to let Geralt try to resolve the situation by diplomacy, was suddenly stripped from command by (I think - not so sure anymore) a written command of Sigfried, in case that she would hesitate to attack. The Ambush had to happen to get Alvin to teleport back in time.
He could have been driven into a state of madness due to the visions, which after all was never intended to be a gift for those outside elven kin. This could very much change a person over the course of decades. Turn him desperate and into a fanatic. Seeing yourself as a Saviour is never a healthy character trait among mortals, I guess. We also don't know, if the teleport through time might have affected him in some way.
As for why Alvin might kill Geralt: The Grand Master was never hesitant to sacrifice innocents, or ppl that stood in his way, for a greater good (seeing how he recruited his mutants from the ranks of the flaming rose, the experiments carried out by Salamandra on kids etc. seeing how he reasoned that the end justifies certain means). In the path I followed, Alvin was trying to do his outmost to convice Geralt to join his cause, act as his right arm, to make his mutant minions understand, how to serve humans, protect them from what would await them, once they would undertake the big exodus into the southern regions.
Only at the very end, when Geralt remained unimpressed, he was confronting him, as being an obstacle to human survival.
@Tomalak
You know, this could also explain why White Rayla that gave her word to let Geralt try to resolve the situation by diplomacy, was suddenly stripped from command by (I think - not so sure anymore) a written command of Sigfried, in case that she would hesitate to attack. The Ambush had to happen to get Alvin to teleport back in time.
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Kamau Brathwaite
Kamau Brathwaite
02.11.2007 @ 23:21 #31
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@Tomalak
You know, this could also explain why White Rayla that gave her word to let Geralt try to resolve the situation by diplomacy, was suddenly stripped from command by (I think - not so sure anymore) a written command of Sigfried, in case that she would hesitate to attack. The Ambush had to happen to get Alvin to teleport back in time.
You know, this could also explain why White Rayla that gave her word to let Geralt try to resolve the situation by diplomacy, was suddenly stripped from command by (I think - not so sure anymore) a written command of Sigfried, in case that she would hesitate to attack. The Ambush had to happen to get Alvin to teleport back in time.
That's a nice tidbit and a good observation. I've just started a new game [want to finish it on hard difficulty and with Geralt remaining neutral], and one new thing to do is obviously to watch for such nuances in the story, now that I know how it ends.
OTOH, I think that what Tomalak is really aiming at is that the situation which happens in the game is a logical paradox i.e. such a situation w could not conceiveably develop in the real world ([in short words, in order for Alvin to become Grandmaster, he had to be the Grandmaster already] - and that time travel will always be a very 'iffy' affair if you want to make a story logical, because of paradoxes like this.
In a fantasy world, there are ways to make it plausible though. In Sapkowski's world, there are actually numerous references to different/parallel worlds (some are included in the game lore, like Conjunction of the Spheres). This includes Geralt's death which, it is suggested, is not really a death as such but rather he is transferred to a different world, or a plane of existence (or whatever ;)) (that's why the beginning of the game story is actually plausible to those who have read the saga). Or let's just say that, maybe, Alvin's teleportation is actually a sponetaneuous magical even of such influence, that changes not only the future, but also the past? It's a fantasy world, after all ;).
As a side note, we're all familiar with the very common theme of prophecies, and future being seen in magic mirrors etc. [which in itself should lead to similar paradoxes] so let's not be too angry at the game fiddling with the concept of time a bit. If the story has to follow a certain path, and Geralt can do nothing to change what happens to Alvin, so be it. You could call it the author's folly, but I know what I am going to say to the Lady of the Lake next time she asks me whether I believe in Destiny ;).
02.11.2007 @ 23:33 #32
@Absurf
Thesis A)
I remember Vasemir telling in the prologue that there was once another witcher school, but contact was lost. Maybe that assassin at the end was a witcher belonging to that specific school (seeing the potions on the belt and eyes similar to that of Geralt -> could be just a result of being under the influence of a cat potion). He was also fighting in a style that doesn't seem to be native to the witchers, using two weapons, might be another hint for a different school of teaching. Interesting question: Who would hire him to slay King Foltest -> The Nilfgardians? The Count surely acted in their interest? Also with their knowledge? It surely is not in Nilfgardian interest to have a unified Redenia/Temeria.
Thesis B)
Alvin traveled back in time? Maybe to a different dimension? Maybe it was some Geralt from a different dimension, without the scar, brought into this dimension for whatever reason? (Except for backstabbing King Foltest out of whatever reaons?) Otherwise, I couldn't come up with a reason why it should have been Geralt, as some speculate. As higher beings as the King of the wild hunt are somehow connected to Geralt's destiny, everything could be possible.
Thesis C)
Maybe the outro was just a hint on the fact, that the secrets once belonging exclusively to the witchers, have been spread to organisation beyond just Salamandra? After all we know, that Salamandra was in need for further financial means, else they wouldn't have approached the King of Redenia. Maybe they were even determined enough to share some of their secrets. Which could kinda lead to a lot of unforseen problems... in the wrong hands.
There are so many ways open for interpretation.
Thesis A)
I remember Vasemir telling in the prologue that there was once another witcher school, but contact was lost. Maybe that assassin at the end was a witcher belonging to that specific school (seeing the potions on the belt and eyes similar to that of Geralt -> could be just a result of being under the influence of a cat potion). He was also fighting in a style that doesn't seem to be native to the witchers, using two weapons, might be another hint for a different school of teaching. Interesting question: Who would hire him to slay King Foltest -> The Nilfgardians? The Count surely acted in their interest? Also with their knowledge? It surely is not in Nilfgardian interest to have a unified Redenia/Temeria.
Thesis B)
Alvin traveled back in time? Maybe to a different dimension? Maybe it was some Geralt from a different dimension, without the scar, brought into this dimension for whatever reason? (Except for backstabbing King Foltest out of whatever reaons?) Otherwise, I couldn't come up with a reason why it should have been Geralt, as some speculate. As higher beings as the King of the wild hunt are somehow connected to Geralt's destiny, everything could be possible.
Thesis C)
Maybe the outro was just a hint on the fact, that the secrets once belonging exclusively to the witchers, have been spread to organisation beyond just Salamandra? After all we know, that Salamandra was in need for further financial means, else they wouldn't have approached the King of Redenia. Maybe they were even determined enough to share some of their secrets. Which could kinda lead to a lot of unforseen problems... in the wrong hands.
There are so many ways open for interpretation.
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Kamau Brathwaite
Kamau Brathwaite
03.11.2007 @ 00:04 #34
I am not sure, as I haven't tried it yet, but at the end of act IV you can either support Rayla or Toruviel. However there is also the option, to just take Alvin and leave without backing any of the factions, when Dandelion asks you what to do.
I guess you have to go for that path if you want to stay neutral. It seems that especially your actions in act IV trigger some of the major plot elements of the ending.
However I have no clue, what to what extend your faction support before act IV plays out ( I guess it regulates the magnitude of the fate of either order or squirrels).
Just for information:
I let them pass with the goods in act I
I remained neutral in act II (Swamp Encounter)
backed Squirrels in act III (Vivaldi's Bank)
backed Squirrels in act IV (Murky Waters)
Fate of the order:
Due to the role the Grand Master played, the Order faced rising misstrust between the ordinary people. And thus it was easy for King Foltest to dismantle them completely.
Fate of Squirrels:
They were officially thanked for their role in bringing down the Order.The truce between King Foltest and Yaevinn however, remained a shortliving one.
At the end Yaevinn was taking up arms again, because he just couldn't agree to some of the conditions, and more young elves than ever followed his call, due to his success in Vizima.
Many ppl seem to have died and after a while everything went back to normal: villains remained villains and the just stayed just.
BTW:
Does anyone know what significance Alvin's dog played in the later part of act IV? Always had the feeling that there was something up with it, but never found out what.
Also interesting would be:
What were the NPC's you re-encountered in :
Act 5
The royal huntsmen in the cave, that surprisingly stood up for the fugitives and the elder druid, telling me something about his plans to protest against the logging of his woods, coming up with some real bad slogans.
Epilogue:
In one of the houses I did meet
Basement:
A Refugee (That tells me that outside only walks death in the streets)
Vaska ( that told me of one of their dreams that revealed to her that the witcher will fulfill his destiny but also warned to not mistake the stars with their reflection in a pond's surface),
The Hermit (That revealed that the Wild Hunt in folklore is the one that takes the souls away and is kinda an instrument of tragedy and destiny and was warning me to watch out for myself as it was often seen in Vizima)
The resolute girl from Act IV (telling me that Julian left for Kovir, Tobias was mourning his daughters, temple school is boring and the Fisher King netted a Water Nymph)
A novice nurse (First retelling the Prophecy and than telling that Carmen actually married Vincent, also telling that Carmen was actually the daughter of the reverend from the first act, got pregnant and ended in Vizima without a cent and she thus is glad that Geralt brought her some happiness in her life)
Vincent Golan (Talking about how he is pretty much hated by everyone and has nobody to talk to, he is also elaborating on his grudge for the damn humans, that will strip him of his little gold he still has)
Cellar:
The Graveir Vetala (That was obviously happy that he hasn't to hide in the cementary anymore and also appreciates the the extensive food buffet that was being served on the streets but showed himself also annoyed with that little brat that doesn't stop asking questions from upstairs)
I guess you have to go for that path if you want to stay neutral. It seems that especially your actions in act IV trigger some of the major plot elements of the ending.
However I have no clue, what to what extend your faction support before act IV plays out ( I guess it regulates the magnitude of the fate of either order or squirrels).
Just for information:
I let them pass with the goods in act I
I remained neutral in act II (Swamp Encounter)
backed Squirrels in act III (Vivaldi's Bank)
backed Squirrels in act IV (Murky Waters)
Fate of the order:
Due to the role the Grand Master played, the Order faced rising misstrust between the ordinary people. And thus it was easy for King Foltest to dismantle them completely.
Fate of Squirrels:
They were officially thanked for their role in bringing down the Order.The truce between King Foltest and Yaevinn however, remained a shortliving one.
At the end Yaevinn was taking up arms again, because he just couldn't agree to some of the conditions, and more young elves than ever followed his call, due to his success in Vizima.
Many ppl seem to have died and after a while everything went back to normal: villains remained villains and the just stayed just.
BTW:
Does anyone know what significance Alvin's dog played in the later part of act IV? Always had the feeling that there was something up with it, but never found out what.
Also interesting would be:
What were the NPC's you re-encountered in :
Act 5
The royal huntsmen in the cave, that surprisingly stood up for the fugitives and the elder druid, telling me something about his plans to protest against the logging of his woods, coming up with some real bad slogans.
Epilogue:
In one of the houses I did meet
Basement:
A Refugee (That tells me that outside only walks death in the streets)
Vaska ( that told me of one of their dreams that revealed to her that the witcher will fulfill his destiny but also warned to not mistake the stars with their reflection in a pond's surface),
The Hermit (That revealed that the Wild Hunt in folklore is the one that takes the souls away and is kinda an instrument of tragedy and destiny and was warning me to watch out for myself as it was often seen in Vizima)
The resolute girl from Act IV (telling me that Julian left for Kovir, Tobias was mourning his daughters, temple school is boring and the Fisher King netted a Water Nymph)
A novice nurse (First retelling the Prophecy and than telling that Carmen actually married Vincent, also telling that Carmen was actually the daughter of the reverend from the first act, got pregnant and ended in Vizima without a cent and she thus is glad that Geralt brought her some happiness in her life)
Vincent Golan (Talking about how he is pretty much hated by everyone and has nobody to talk to, he is also elaborating on his grudge for the damn humans, that will strip him of his little gold he still has)
Cellar:
The Graveir Vetala (That was obviously happy that he hasn't to hide in the cementary anymore and also appreciates the the extensive food buffet that was being served on the streets but showed himself also annoyed with that little brat that doesn't stop asking questions from upstairs)
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Kamau Brathwaite
Kamau Brathwaite
03.11.2007 @ 00:42 #35
To stay neutral, side with whoever you want in Acts II/III and escape with Alvin in Act IV (the choiice is made during the conversation with Dandelion, mentioned above). I've actually done this out of curiosity and can confirm it makes both the Order and the Squirrels hostile to you (I didnt continue playing, but rather reverted to a saved game and went pro-order, but this seems to be the main decision point).
AFAIK the side you chose when the Squirrels attack the bank in Act III affects the chioces available to you in Act IV. If you side with the non-humans, you cannot side with the Order in Act IV (the only oiptions are to go with the Sco'iatel or remain neutral), and vice versa. Your choices in Act II seem to have no lasting consequences (but probably do affect gameplay in various ways, like being able to talk the dwarf and Order smiths, possibly affecting some quests as well).
AFAIK the side you chose when the Squirrels attack the bank in Act III affects the chioces available to you in Act IV. If you side with the non-humans, you cannot side with the Order in Act IV (the only oiptions are to go with the Sco'iatel or remain neutral), and vice versa. Your choices in Act II seem to have no lasting consequences (but probably do affect gameplay in various ways, like being able to talk the dwarf and Order smiths, possibly affecting some quests as well).
03.11.2007 @ 01:35 #36
@Solothores
Thanks for your theories.
To me, thesis A is the most reasonable one. Playing with the concept of parallel universe and time travel seems a bit of a stretch here. If the secrets also fell into the hands of other organizations, wouldn't they create some kind of mutants similar to those created by Salamandra? But judging by the appearance of the assassin, he seems most likely to be a witcher as well, which makes thesis A a valid interpretation.
Some people speculate that he's a clone of Geralt or Geralt himself because they share the same eyes, but somehow I'm under the impression that all witchers have that kind of "cat" eyes, don't they?
I met the exact same people as you did in Act 5. I made the same choices in Act 1, 3 and 4. Although I'm not sure about Act 2, I don't think I remained neutral. Oh, and I had the same ending.
Thanks for your theories.
To me, thesis A is the most reasonable one. Playing with the concept of parallel universe and time travel seems a bit of a stretch here. If the secrets also fell into the hands of other organizations, wouldn't they create some kind of mutants similar to those created by Salamandra? But judging by the appearance of the assassin, he seems most likely to be a witcher as well, which makes thesis A a valid interpretation.
Some people speculate that he's a clone of Geralt or Geralt himself because they share the same eyes, but somehow I'm under the impression that all witchers have that kind of "cat" eyes, don't they?
I met the exact same people as you did in Act 5. I made the same choices in Act 1, 3 and 4. Although I'm not sure about Act 2, I don't think I remained neutral. Oh, and I had the same ending.
03.11.2007 @ 01:39 #37
May I ask what does the amulet do? I remember G asked Alvin if he was wearing the amulet after Alvin said he has been seeing "visions".
Are these amulet quite common? Didnt Adda also have one as well?
Other question is, the vioce that some times used to processed Alvin, is that just the grandmaster's vioce (his own vioce from the furture Alvin)?
Are these amulet quite common? Didnt Adda also have one as well?
Other question is, the vioce that some times used to processed Alvin, is that just the grandmaster's vioce (his own vioce from the furture Alvin)?
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03.11.2007 @ 02:00 #38
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but why would Alvin want to kill Geralt
but why would Alvin want to kill Geralt
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03.11.2007 @ 02:03 #39
@Romeo
It was an Amulet forged out of dimeritium. According to the glossary the alloy represses the transfer of magical energies.
I guess it is acting like a dampener making the wearer unable to use magic. It seems that it is the perfect tool to manage "sources" (ppl that are not in control of their magical powers, such as Alvin)
It also states that it's shielding effect has been overcome, in rare cases, by extraordinary powerful beings.
It was an Amulet forged out of dimeritium. According to the glossary the alloy represses the transfer of magical energies.
I guess it is acting like a dampener making the wearer unable to use magic. It seems that it is the perfect tool to manage "sources" (ppl that are not in control of their magical powers, such as Alvin)
It also states that it's shielding effect has been overcome, in rare cases, by extraordinary powerful beings.
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03.11.2007 @ 09:47 #40
Just finished the game and so many question arose, I don't know where to begin. On the other hand, I love games that leave an ending open to interpretation.
On the Grandmaster=Alvin thing. So many coincidences are just unusual. While you are in his vision, after each encounter your journal updates, in which it's stated how the GM's view on things sound "familiar". Well they do, since you basically told them to Alvin during chapter IV. Also I noticed something else, even though he had the amulet, Alvin managed to teleport and the GM also managed to cast spells while wearing the amulet. So, are these two very powerful beings or only one? ;)
However, another question remains. How did Alvin become the Grandmaster? I just can't piece this last part of the puzzle
On the assassin, he may have been a) Another witcher or b) An assassin genetically modified using the witcher's secrets. However, I think the first is more likely.
That said, I have to add that the closing movies delivered far too little information. What happened with the other witchers? What happened to your companions? (Zoltan, Shani, Triss, Dandelion and so on) Forgot to add, I managed to keep Berengar alive during my fight with Azar, but learned nothing of him after that.
Well, those were my two cents. :)
On the Grandmaster=Alvin thing. So many coincidences are just unusual. While you are in his vision, after each encounter your journal updates, in which it's stated how the GM's view on things sound "familiar". Well they do, since you basically told them to Alvin during chapter IV. Also I noticed something else, even though he had the amulet, Alvin managed to teleport and the GM also managed to cast spells while wearing the amulet. So, are these two very powerful beings or only one? ;)
However, another question remains. How did Alvin become the Grandmaster? I just can't piece this last part of the puzzle
On the assassin, he may have been a) Another witcher or b) An assassin genetically modified using the witcher's secrets. However, I think the first is more likely.
That said, I have to add that the closing movies delivered far too little information. What happened with the other witchers? What happened to your companions? (Zoltan, Shani, Triss, Dandelion and so on) Forgot to add, I managed to keep Berengar alive during my fight with Azar, but learned nothing of him after that.
Well, those were my two cents. :)
